Yep. 1 match ban for me.

Kris Welham received no suspension and no fine from the disciplinary and wasn't sent off during the game despite being penalised for a headbutt back in February. Ironically against the same player and with the same referee.

Absolutely true isnt it?

1 match and loss of MBE maybe.

it really is laughable the comments on here.
Firstly we have an 'assault' from a player whom headbutts another player unprovoked but we have people saying there's nothing in it, it wasn't agressive, it's not a 'proper' headbutt etc.


Sinfields headbutt is a worse an incident than Hock's IMO, you have a very influential player both on AND importantly off the field doing something hugely wrong, out of character or not.

Giving Sinfield a lenient sentence just says it's acceptable to headbutt, it isn't a face rub, it's an intended, agressive attack on another person. Another time we could be looking at a serious injury to a player, that's why we heavily penalise (or should be) attacks to the head/body so that we lessen the chance of ending someones career or worse hospitalising them.
Yes there was no real damage done, but that is more to luck than design, but that should not influence any punishment meted out.
That people here are seemingly so acceptive of these types of incidents as being part of the game and just a bit of biff (which is bollox btw) is ridiculous.
You can have controlled agression (isn't that what's RL supposed to be about??) and by giving far too much leeway on stuff like this you're basically saying everyone else can do it and it isn't all that big a deal and will go relatively unpunished.

What follows is that kids (because they are easily influenced by these things despite being told otherwise) do exactly as the adults do and headbutting is just not acceptable in any shape or form.

Lol.

Made me chuckle, well done.

You say that no damage was done to Dorn shouldn't influence the decision (which I think is correct btw)

But also highlight Sinfield being an influential player on and off the pitch as if it should be treated more strict because of that reason.

Make up your mind on the context/individuals involved lol

I believe that the Leeds police should be allowed to confiscate and examine Sinfield's computers. If they do I suspect that they will find that before the game the perpetrator had been doing Google searches for videos of "Cliff Watson" and "Liverpool kiss."

Where did I say treated more harshly?

I said upthread he should get (at least) 3 games, he agressively headbutted a player (totally unprovoked) that is a clear Grade E, if you were to take into account his previous disciplinary record then that should get him down to 3-4 match ban. anything less like the one match bans suggested here is absolutely ludicrous..but this is RL fans afterall where yet again more experts are far more keen on ridicule than giving proper arguements to support their suggestion.

If that is an aggressive headbutt and a grade e, then how do you define grade D or C headbutt?

1. Define unprovoked. This isn't Ryan Bailey. Sinfield has a great record so something got to him.. this is the second time this season Luke Dorn has been headbutted, it would lead us to believe he is not Mr innocent.

2. You're an ass if you really believe that was a grade E offence. You clearly have an agenda.

Nowhere, that's why I never used the word "harshly" myself.

You clearly highlight his influence though as if that should be a factor.

Surely if you're wanting the 'fair' decision you claim then it doesn't matter whether it's a 400+ game legend or somebody with barely 20 games to his name.

You trolled, you failed.

Well Dorn is innocent. It's like saying because Sinfield gets roughed up every week, that he must be doing something to upset the opposition.

Anyone with eyes can see theres is no provocation. Sinfields made a mistake but still should suffer consequences.

Anyway for a feeling the RFL will come up with a grade A offence and then get 0 games for his good record.

Got to agree regarding Dorn. At worst (and I use that term loosely) he MIGHT'VE asked the ref to bin Sinfield. But I've seen Sinfield on the end of much worst physical things and I assume he's heard just about everything on the field during his career.

Any slight finger pointing at Dorn is desperate really, and I'm one of Sinfield's biggest fans at Leeds.

Trolled, yeah, whatever!

Yes, you said treated more strictly, I never said that either, either you're being obtuse or you just don't understand?

Clearly from what I've said I'm saying he should get exactly what the grading says he should takig into account his previous disciplinary record, however what he has done is extremely serious & that IMO at least his headbutting is worse than Hocks idocy barging into the ref. IF any overdue leniancy is given toward Sinfield then this and other similar scenarios that we've seen go innapropriately punished (Bowen was the start of it this season) does have further negative connatations attached to it with regard rugby league (& beyond). it effects how players play the game and the increased likelihood of players from all age groups/std doing what they like without fear of a proper disciplinary reprisal.
It's a micro climate of how society goes, you don't punish people properly others go off and do what they like and things spiral from there.

So, if you think that's trolling then fine, it's the idiotic responses that say nothing (except jibes to which I'll always respond in kind) and don't back up any cogent arguement to back up what's being said.

See what you wrote there was much better, previously you alluded to his influence in the game as being a key factor towards any potential decision.

Nice to see you back peddle into a more sensible post.

No, it's not. Just as we shouldn't minimise it, there's no sense in hyping it up like this.


You are entitled to believe that, just as you are entitled to believe the Moon landings were faked, however ridiculous the proposition. And that is pretty ridiculous.


Way OTT> Sinfield lost his rag for once in his exemplary career and shoved his face into Dorn. He did not cause the collapse of western civilisation, nor is there any sensible angle I can remotely see why this action should somehow influence global behaviour. If you don't call being sent off the field in disgrace, and probably costing your team a win, a proper reprisal then what is it? Watching him being sent marching is hardly likely to encourage any impressionables to follow his lead, is it?

But if we follow your general thrust, then what sort of message does it send to these impressionables if a player who has been an example of almost model behaviour and restraint in hundreds of games, gets absolutely no credit for that in a disciplinary hearing? Wouldn't you agree that that would be much more likely to make impressionables think "Well, I'll be, he may as well have been sent off weekly - what good did 10 years of being well-behaved do him"?

0 games is the most likely outcome, with Thaler on a grade C charge for sending off Kevin Sinfield.

Shocking from the England captain. Deserved the red card and to be sent off. I expect 2-3 games (not taking into account the disciplinary panel's inconsistency). However the bad language and the Peacock tackle I think people are using only to bash Leeds with and I usually like to point out the worst things about Leeds but bad language is used in every game and saw nothing wrong with the Peacock tackle.

Dorn's reaction both before and after the incident was something Thomas Muller would've been proud of.

You keep making sensible and balanced posts which have no place among the tripe on this thread, but this made me actually laugh out loud.

really? where did he play act? he looked shocked and then ed then that he had just been head butted.

how can people defend it???
given his unblemished record in 400 games i would expect 3 games and an EGP thus missing two. sounds about right

Wonder how Leeds fans would have reacted if this had been done to one of their players!

Typical Wakey fan - What's that got to do with anything?

Are most Leeds fans saying he shouldn't get a ban? No.