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| Quote ="Dunbar"I agree that it is a grey area as I firmly believe that he has a right to hold these beliefs and actually to state them – if this is his own opinion and his own alone
The grey area is this
I help to manage an IT Services company and we use social media to reach out into the community – this uses business tools such as Linkedin but also Twitter and Facebook and we encourage our employees to Tweet, Blog and ‘like’ our company. I do not know for sure but I would assume that Hull KR reach out into the Hull public using such tools
Now, if one of my employees wrote such a comment while linked to my company, I would take a very dim view of it – add to this the fact that I believe Cockayne ‘represents’ Hull KR as a public figure and I think he has brought the club into disrepute
If he was Joe Moron posting this on Facebook then fair play to him – he’s a bigoted idiot but that’s his problem. But, I am convinced that he will have accepted friends requests on Facebook from Hull KR fans who he does not personally know (I’m sure that somebody like Cockayne cannot have 1,000 ‘real’ friends) and so, whether he can understand this or not, he represents his club and therefore has to accept the consequences when his bigotry and hatred is exposed for what it is'"
If as part of his employment was to promote the club via the internet and club gave him a framework of subject and content to stay within and this is polar opposite to what he was told, i'd agree with you. Then it would tarnish K.R's reputation as he would be representing them, but i'm unaware that this is the case.
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| Quote ="gary numan"If as part of his employment was to promote the club via the internet and club gave him a framework of subject and content to stay within and this is polar opposite to what he was told, i'd agree with you. Then it would tarnish K.R's reputation as he would be representing them, but i'm unaware that this is the case.'"
I guess it is a matter of interpretation of the concept of ‘representing’ his club and we have reached an impasse in the conversation then – fair enough. Been a good debate though
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| Quote ="gary numan"I've no problem with that if they feel it necassary personally i never thought for a second that they agreed with his view. I suppose somebody out there might need telling, a participant on jeremy kyle for instance.'"
Personally i want clubs to make people who arent familiar with the game comfortable. Not addressing racist views and racist comments within the game is hardly going to endear minorities to our game.
Frankly i find it a little suspicious that you argue so virulently in favour of Cockache being able to express these views, but seem so against the game publicly making clear that these views are only Cockaches and not representative of HKA or the game.
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| Quote ="The Clan"Lucky not to be sent off for a late, high, malicious tackle on Obst during the build up to the last try.'"
He gets far worse and we rarely get even a penalty, we see him getting head shots every week, which might be the officials subconciously thinking 'its only Cockayne'
There were several high (how do you distinguish a malicious from a non malicious I'll never know) shots during the game, if all ended up with sendings offs it would end up 7 a-side and 84-80 scoreline.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Personally i want clubs to make people who arent familiar with the game comfortable. Not addressing racist views and racist comments within the game is hardly going to endear minorities to our game.
Frankly i find it a little suspicious that you argue so virulently in favour of Cockache being able to express these views, but seem so against the game publicly making clear that these views are only Cockaches and not representative of HKA or the game.'"
But didn't we have a debate recently on sin bin where several of the 'learned' members argued that free speech HAS to be offensive, or is that only when its someone you like saying it.
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| Quote ="rover49"Where did I condone it ?
I was merely pointing out in answer to the poster that the use of the word Paki is not something left in the 1970's, but id a frequently used term in my sphere of work (building sites in a lot of areas of high ethnic populations). If you see that as 'condoning' then you are either thick or stirring trouble.'"
You were implying it is OK to use it because people you work with do. It isn't and I'm neither thick or stirring trouble, and nor am I the one defending a racist
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"You were implying it is OK to use it because people you work with do. It isn't and I'm neither thick or stirring trouble, and nor am I the one defending a racist'"
You must be all of the above if you think I was condoning it, just pointing out it goes on quite a lot and was not left in the 70's, so you must be thick or stirring it if you cannot see that. Having to listen to a site manager use terms such as Paki or the like is not condoning in any way at all.
For the record, I said on here that Cockayne should have been jailed and sacked by Hull KR for his assault and I find his comments a disgrace and if the club sack him they will not get any complaints from me, but lets not be so naive to think that if he his sacked he won't turn up in another clubs shirt, lets face it we let back drug cheats (some even referee now) and players who place bets on their own teams to lose, Cockaynes stupidity has all been outside of the game and not inside it like the aforementioned cheats.
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| Quote ="rover49"icon_rolleyes.gif
He gets far worse and we rarely get even a penalty, we see him getting head shots every week, which might be the officials subconciously thinking 'its only Cockayne'
There were several high =#FF0040(how do you distinguish a malicious from a non malicious I'll never know) shots during the game, if all ended up with sendings offs it would end up 7 a-side and 84-80 scoreline.'"
Malicious to me when the player on the end of it is undefended and open then there's leading with the point of the elbow to the face in an upward direction, add being late to the equation and you get malicious
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| Quote ="The Clan"Malicious to me when the player on the end of it is undefended and open then there's leading with the point of the elbow to the face in an upward direction, add being late to the equation and you get malicious'"
Bit like the one Cockayne sustained at the arm of a Hull player in a previous game, when not even a sin bin was given.
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| Quote ="rover49"Bit like the one Cockayne sustained at the arm of a Hull player in a previous game, when not even a sin bin was given.'"
OK then that obviously makes it alright for BC to do Sam Obst!
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| Before the game Rovers fans singing "Ben Cockayne is our mate, he hates Pakis".........I would suggest theyre all as bad as each other
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| Players should be told if they are using Facebook not to add anyone as a friend who they do not know (and yes, that includes 18 year old blondes with big boobs) and make their profile as private as possible, and if they are using Twitter...well they just probably shouldn't. Or get their agent to do it for them.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Players should be told if they are using Facebook not to add anyone as a friend who they do not know (and yes, that includes 18 year old blondes with big boobs) and make their profile as private as possible, and if they are using Twitter...well they just probably shouldn't. Or get their agent to do it for them.'"
Or just not be racist?
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| Quote ="AlfieMoon"Or just not be racist?'"
it really is that simple.
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| Quote ="vikingsmurf"icon_lol.gif
it really is that simple.'"
I reckon, or is it just me?
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| Quote ="AlfieMoon"I reckon, or is it just me?'"
You do seem quite simple, yes.
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| Ben Cockayne shouldn't be in SL because he's ....nuff said.
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| Have the ubiquitous tb moderating all social network sites. End of problem.
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| To myself, the comments made by Cockayne are the opinions of a man who, like an increasing number of residents of our fair isle, have been seized upon by the right wing politicians and fed rhetoric about how our once great nation is under threat from an islamist/fundamentalist ideal. He certainly isn't the 1st person to believe it. He is obviously a bit dim, but is it really cause for such a grave outpouring wishing ill upon his person? The phrases and beliefs he stated are uttered on a daily basis by many, many people in various places, yet the police don't go chasing after them all.
As for the question of being a role model, i wouldn't have thought that Cockayne would be the obvious choice among the younger element of the Rovers support. To me it's part of a parent's responsibility to establish a boundary if they take their children to watch sport on a regular basis to ensure if their children are inspired by a player such as Cockayne, it should only be for on-pitch endeavours. Although let's face it, there's a distinct possibility that some parents may share the same views as Cockayne does.
As poorly informed and slightly ignorant his opinion may be, i think to take away his livelihood is stretching it a bit too far.
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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"
As for the question of being a role model, i wouldn't have thought that Cockayne would be the obvious choice among the younger element of the Rovers support.'"
Yet your fans all sing his name in a hero worship sort of way? They even did it today "Charlie Charlie" so why wouldn't the younger more impressionable Rovers fans look upto him?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Personally i want clubs to make people who arent familiar with the game comfortable. Not addressing racist views and racist comments within the game is hardly going to endear minorities to our game.
Frankly i find it a little suspicious that you argue so virulently in favour of Cockache being able to express these views, but seem so against the game publicly making clear that these views are only Cockaches and not representative of HKA or the game.'"
Please point out where i'm 'so against the game publicly making clear that these views are only Cockaches and not representative of HKA or the game'
I think only incredibly stupid people would take a comment from one person within that organisation to go on to presume that the whole organisation was racist and didn't welcome anybody but white people. But if the organisation wants to put out a statement that's fair enough, i have no problem at all with them doing it.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Yet your fans all sing his name in a hero worship sort of way? They even did it today "Charlie Charlie" so why wouldn't the younger more impressionable Rovers fans look upto him?'"
any parent that lets their kids life choices be dictaed by a pampered overpaid sportsman/ woman is a very poor parent indeed! I have yet to hear anybody suggest that idolising a sportsman as a kid led them to bad life choices as an adult, could be a good excuse in court!
"yes your honour, I am sorry that I defrauded people out of money but I have mitigating circumstances, I was a Hull FC fan when I was a chlid and Raynor was my favourite player"
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| Well done Hull KR made and example of Cockayne and put him in the starting line up !!!
If they were going to play him the least they could have done is take the AYNE letters off his shirt and let him play with 'C0CK' on his back
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| Quote ="Nikaed"Ben Cockayne shouldn't be in SL because he's ....nuff said.'"
If you look at his rugby ONLY, you will see how dumb this statement is. How long until your back at school.
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| Quote ="The Clan"OK then that obviously makes it alright for BC to do Sam Obst!'"
No, but its clear people want him punished for EVERY on filed action BECAUSE of his off field actions. He is a hated figure because of things he has done off the pitch, we rarely see a post saying 'xxxxxxx should of walked for his challenge on Cockayne'. If he is sacked for his comments on facebook, so be it, but lets have a little equality with regards to on field issues.
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