Correct, it's hardly a reserve side but only having 17 fit each week prevents players from getting any rest and forces players to play longer mins than they should. Sia, Graham and roby have been putting in big mins as we not got anyone on the bench to replace them.

Also I'd say players are playing with knocks so unable to Gibraltar them healing time as were down to our barebones.

Eddie quoted ten out, I'm not sure that's true and pretty obvious all ten wouldn't have played.

IMO from our starting 17 we had wheeler, lomax, Pryce, Tony puletua, clough, Moore, flannery and maybe eastmond. So it's more like were missing 7 first teamers.

The lads have been going well but a heavy defeat has been on the cards for a while. Players out, playing with knocks, no resting players and a disrupted training can't be ideal.

On positive side and with little bit better luck we will hit the business end of the year with a very fresh and healthy squad and I'm pretty sure we will take some stopping.

Don't forget it's sky, eddie and the media making issue of our injuries and the the St Helens club.

It did get annoying and I'm a Saints fan.

But those above saying we didn't have many out and just have a bad squad need to look at the league table. 2 points off top spot with no half backs. We would be top

The mans a nob.

Phil Clarke?

The standard of commentary is poor and needs a complete overhaul. Phil Clarke is very knowledgeable on the game, but is very biased towards Wigan. Eddie is clueless and chats about inane things with Stevo and does seem to have bias towards St.Helens. Stevo for me can on occasions talk some sense, but he's now like an old record. He churns out the same lines (see Stevo bingo thread) and if he makes a point once - he makes it over and over again. Jon Wells' bit is the only piece I find very interesting.

Who is the thread about ?

Leeds had a fair few injuries at the start of the season too.

I actually turned the volume down as it was boardering on the absurb listening to him. He does think that ONLY St. Helens have had injuries. Don't get me wrong it's not nice having that many injuries but every other team suffers at some point.

EDDIE!! STFU!!!

It really doesn't matter what the game is,the commentary is always the same.Every kick from inside the 40,is an attempted 40/20,even if it lands next to the posts,every kick is a great kick,until it runs dead.Why on earth do they need four people in the commentary box,each trying to justify their presence.One of them should be restricted to the studio/presenter role and one should be the analyst - obviously not Stevo.Lets hope that if there is a new Sky RL contact,then they revamp the presentation.

Wonder what would have happened if someone had told him the Giants were missing Mason,O'Donnell,Fa'alogo,Raleigh and Horne from our regular pack and still stuffed them?? i can imagine the poor chap not been able to accept it and having a mental breakdown on air with Clarkey having to rock him in his arms till medical help arrived !!

Completely agree with that. Stevo can sound like a geriatric, and i think its one of the things holding us back. Wells is great though, undecided on Tez and Baz, and Clarke ok but can be very bias.

Also, anyone noticed how Eddie always seems to want to sit on the special guests knee? he always seems about 2 inches from them ?!

If you compare Sky's coverage to the BBC's... there is no comparison.

I can’t work out if you mean that positively for Sky or not?

The BBC have a better host in Clare Balding and usually have a panel of 2 or 3 studio guests so the pre and post game is better on the BBC. During the game, the standard of camera work in the Sky coverage is far better – the part time director at the BBC often cuts back to replays as the game is going on which is infuriating

As for commentary – both as bad as each other for me – Sky have Hemmings and Stevo and on the Sunday matches the BBC have French and Davis (who seems uninterested)

It could be worse though, imagine the hell that would be French commenting and Stevo as the summariser... the whole world would be swallowed by a singularity caused by the critical mass of Northern stereotypes

French and Eddie together in the booth, with Harry Gration presenting and Joanthan Davies and Phil Clarke as analysts and camerawork/direction from the BBC is the nightmare scenario.

Some combination of Balding, Woods, Noble and Wells, with Sky's camerawork, would be a better prospect.

I fail to see the attraction in Claire Baldings presenting style.

At least Eddie puts a bit of passion into his commentry,the commentators on the Union games sound like they are about to nod off.

that tends to happen when watching rugby union

As has been said in this thread. It's not only the amount of injuries that saints have been dealing with, but it's the fact that 6 half backs are injured. 6!

There isn't many teams in the league that could deal with that. I know the crusaders had massive injury problems for the last two years. When we lost Witt, Hanbury, Lee, Withers and White, we were at odds end. But then Sammut came over and pretty much rescued our season last year.

They are just going to have to deal with it, and sort it out for next year. Pryce is pretty much done, eastmond is a goner. They need to bring some players in.

Have heard Brian Moore commentate?

And I always thought he supported leeds!!!, and that Danny Maguire was Eddie n Stevos 'love child', At least when they are banging on about Stains injuries,and lets face it all our teams have players out they give us a break from how good he is ??????

I thought he was going to jizz himself when he was talking about Foster's goal kicking.... his commentary ruined the game for me, i turned the volume down and watched in silence, much better

Sts have done far better than any other team would with their halfbacks missing. Take the top two out of any other team and they wouldn't be anywhere near as competitive as Sts generally are. I'd also say its true that teams tend to suffer more when injuries occur to players in the same position - losing your first choice 4 props is worse than 4 random players.

The difference is that Saints are missing some decent players. All Leigh's players were crap in 2005 so it didn't really matter how many were out injured in any one time.

Dunno bud,don`t watch much Union.

That's coz nobody gives a f*ck about leigh ....nothing to to with the RFL or anyone else