while i can't comment on your turnover, barrow posted a profit of 23,811 (this was after winning 100k in the grand final). you also have a bank overdraft of 138k to service with barclays bank plc(this increased dispite the profit). your trading losses sit at 600k and your insolvent by 110k. given you claim your stadium is worth 5m, you have to wonder why barrow simply do not take out a commercial mortgage and bring the ground up to standard?

it would also stand to reason that figure would be worse in 2010 as your season came no where near the hights of 2009 although it will be a while to see them given 2010 has not ended yet

Not neccessarily , it could be dependant on win and final position bonuses , therefore they could perform better financially

This is one of the anomolies of a ' sports business ' , you can be highly successful and lose millions and everybody is happy , yet you do that in a real business and you wont be around for long

you arent going to half built stadiums though other than salford and saints, and they are staying in SL.

by the time the franchise decisions are made wakey wont have started construction making the rfls decision an easy one

then wakey have 3 years to get the stadium built whilst they are in the champ. and then put pressure on any poor SL clubs

there isnt the money atm to expand the number of clubs

1. tiny population
2. poor ground
3. no rich sugar daddy
4. would struggle in SL

the game has far better options to go too know.

you dont want to be letting in more small town clubs with poor stadiums and finances who cant challenge the top clubs.

as an example of a small club which has done well in SL i refer to Hull KR.

they are doing it because they know if they dont eventually theyll be replaced in SL.

ie because of franchising.

if relegation was just based on playing form they would spend all their money on players to lessen the chance of relegation and not a cent on the ground

Purely assisting with your question.

There's no way anyone could really, also you have to sign a disclaimer to say you accept decision to even apply.

If anyone did try to sue for loss of monies due to relegtion the RFL could sue back as they got monies for this current franchise round based on false promises anyway.

DES Johnson is a very rich man who ploughs money in to barrow. The border raiders are a good club and one I'd be happy to see in super league. For me the game needs a Cumbrian representative in the top tier, the area is a hit bed of rugby league talent with some excellent amateur teams up there.

Just thought i'd clear that up for you



The thing is was Dez really pooring money into Barrow Raiders RLFC? Or just into the pockets of the first team, full stop?

All loans and overdrafts are serviced religiously (just like most people's mortgages) and we make a profit. That's how most businesses are run.

Regarding a mortgage to bring Craven Park up to standard, that is exactly what would happen if the club was [iguaranteed[/i a SL place. Undertaking such a financial risk without the prospect of SL would be financial suicide and a risk that no-one at Barrow RL would be willing to take. Unfortunately some of the current SL teams are doing just that - selling the family silver.

Although we didn't win the GF in 2010, we had a good Challenge Cup run and made a fair few bob from that. We are one of the few teams in RL who are financially stable and don't have recent Administrations blackening their history.

Barrow borough has a population comparable or larger than Widnes, Leigh, Halifax, Castleford and Wakefield to name a few and has no pro RL club within a 90 minute car journey. The catchment area stretches much further.

We have as much, if not more to offer SL than several of the current incumbents.

2012 is probably too soon, but to dismiss the chance of Barrow ever getting into SL is plainly ridiculous.

Here we go again. From a fan of a club who had Stephen Vaughan at the helm.
If you want dodgy, just look at the Widnes 'profit' figures. From a £800K loss in 2008 (average crowds 4,517) to a £1M profit in 2009 (average 3,80icon_cool.gif. The 700 drop in attendances alone equates to 7,000 over the 10 home league games which roughly means a £70,000 loss at the turnstiles. Amazing isn't it !?!? If you were liquidate all the Widnes assets, you'd get change from a quid. That's the real figure the RFL should be looking at, not the smoke and mirrors of turnover.

Let's face it, none of the 3 planned stadiums at Salford, Wakefield or Cas will be ready for the start of the 2012 season, never mind the license decision in July 2011 - so all of those 3 clubs are in the same boat.

Also, signing a disclaimer means nothing, as the decision is down to the RFL who can justify their choice in any manner they like. There are a whole host of legal avenues that can be looked into by the club who is booted out. Although they like to think so, the RFL are not above the laws of the land. Once the reality sets in of 3 years in the Championship on a £300K salary cap and people are losing their jobs, the RFL could find themselves in the mother of all legal wrangles.

Why what part of the law says you can't relegate a club? They aren't doing anything illegal in this so on what basis do you sue? Your only entitled to the SKY monies if in SL, so if not in SL your not. Simple as that really the only rules around P&R are set by the RFL so not a legal issue outside of RL.

What's that got to do with it, the word had answers any point. Not now and due to him we went into admin and all debts to him cleared.

It's not ticket science are figures is it? People bang on about big loss to big gain as if it's a shock. Simple SO'C takes over and in year one pays off outstanding bills from previous administration, does up seats & installs electric ticketing system. Sets up new club offices with top range equipment these are all ONE off payments and this was done with very few sponsors as had to be done quick from administration.

Year two you don't have any costs bar basic running costs we win the NRC and bring in a shed load of sponsors with again no 'extra' expenditure. Simple case of taking the financial hit all at once and then reaping the benefits in years after. Is it that hard to understand?

At the end of the day Barrow could & should be strong candidates for a SL place HOWEVER you can't just sit there telling us all what you COULD do IF in SL you need to start showing something. I mean come on you shut down reserve side after a fee first team injuries on what basis would you have a full SL set up & improve stadium & get first team upto scratch? You seem to make the SKY money go and awful long way! You need to have the basics in place and use extra money to IMPROVE things like stadium & youth not to create them from scratch. ATM all Barrow can do is put out a strong first team that is not enough anymore... That's the whole point of this system!

They are doing it because they know they need to average 10,000 per game to break even in SL , their attendance chart is virtually flat meaning an extra 1,100 people can be accomadated fairly cheaply if there was room for them

Incorrect our chairman has gone on record saying that we need 10k avarage to break even.
We need to become self sufficient (sp) we know this that is why we are doing the work.
Oh and BTW there is a fair chance that work to extend the east stand again will be starting tommorrow.


Oh and one other thing we work at full cap so we cant spend anymore on players HTH.

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I don't see how.The club that loses it's SL status will be a club who were awarded a 3 year licence from the start of season 2009.That licence will expire at the end of 2011.Quits.Nobody was promised anything beyond 2011,no club was given a six year licence.

Surely the issue is that clubs have been told that one SL club will lose the licence and that a championship club will be granted a licence all irrespective of the quality of their bids. It seems to me that, as soon as they made that announcement, the RFL was in danger of not operating according to its own rules. Must confess I don't actually know what the rules are but if all SL bids are better (or even just as good) than the eligible championship teams' they've got a big problem.

Decided by who ?

Good question!!!

You have the answer to your question

I think it's pretty clear they have decided that! Remember the RFL has been checking up on clubs 'promises' and 'improvement areas' since day one so they'll have a good idea where all clubs are at. With no new stadiums built they have clearly decided someone must face the music for not getting it done in the promised time frame in 2007.