Correct, they were compiled in exactly the same way as previous attendances. The previous CC Final attendances had more Club Wembley seats that were actually occupied, particularly those Club Wembley seats situated on the lower tiers around halfway line which were conspicuous by their wholly empty appearance on Saturday. Cue responses of "[iThey were empty only because it was raining... same reason players couldn't catch the ball, or complete a set and why it was a really crap game, it was all the fault of the RAIN and anyone who doesn't take the RAIN into consideration must have an anti-RL agenda and MUST REALLY HATE RL, blah blah blah"[/i.

I ought to know because I was sat in those 'OCCUPIED' Club Wembley seats last year.



Oh, and guess what? Those Club Wembley tickets I had last year were not paid for... they were freebies

Hey MAN,

Might be easier to blame the RAIN for the crap attendance, eh?

I don’t think anyone is making excuses. Most are quite happy with the attendance of the CC final. Except those who had decided to make up their own attendance and get angry about it.

I for instance have decided there were 7 people there, and I am furious about it. There should be at least 12 people there, and if it wasn’t for Super duper league ruining everything by getting more people to attend more often, then we could have been back in those halcyon days when we saw a team of postmen defeat a team of shepherds in front of 15 and a half people. And if you don’t believe that you must REALLY HATE RL

We can blame whatever we want for whatever we want.

We could blame Deirdre Barlows poor taste in men for the being 8.234 people in attendance. We could blame the Greeks for their being 3.124 people in attendance, the Spartans for their being 300 people in attendance, Martin Luther King for there being 1 million men in attendance. We could blame Heisenberg and his damned uncertainty principle and just give up trying to measure anything.

Not many Leeds fans hung around to see Warrington presented with the CC last year.

Still no response William - not shocked!! keep rattling on about something you cannot prove.

Wasn't worthy of a response Sal.

You lost me with your complete dismissal of international RL.

There's no point debating with parochial one-club supporting fools.

Enjoy your off-season immediately after the SL Grand Final.

Don't forget to wrap up too or else you'll catch a chill.

You take a beating so well - shame I was hoping to engage you in some manful debate. Seems you want to hark back to the 1960s, the world has moved on shame you haven't. The world cup will be an interesting barometer of demand for international RL. The idea of playing both semis back to back at Wembley should draw a crowd if not then the RFL really are flogging a dead horse.

Sal... you've never got it and you never will. I accept there are lots of parochial one-club supporters just like you who are not interested in international RL and the bigger picture. The sport has never crawled out of it's northern backwater because it's infested predominantly by those with opinions just like yours.

May you continue to lavish praise on your hero Danny McGuire as he's twinkle-toeing in for his next hatful of inconsequential tries in meaningless fixtures against teams like London, Widnes and Cas during those precious two months of June & July which must be protected as part of the SL season no matter what the cost. Wouldn't want you or precious little softcock Danny Mags dying from frostbite in Dec or Jan now would we?

Now please excuse me while I rest up, elevate, compress and apply the requisite amount of ice and compression after that severe beating you've just manfully handed out to me.

It will be interesting given the RFL's talent for marketing and promotion.

Dunno about you but I've received far more emails and mailshots about tickets for Magic Weekend than I have about the World Cup. The current incumbents at the RFL aren't fit for the purpose.

London have never received any additional support from the RFL other than lip service. David Hughes requested that they "assist" with the promotion and development of the game in the south East and I believe additional RFL staff were employed in the London office on the Thames.....same staff have now been let go and the London RFL presence, that looks after the entire South of England is now 2........speaks volumes for how the RFL view anything south of Potters Bar



No probs about being wrong BTW.........us London fans are used to being informed of the bags of cash we get "on the side" every year but have never ever seen proof of it. In reality, if London Broncos had been treated the same way Melbourne storm were in the NRL then London wouldn't be an issue....except when we broke the cap to win a number of Grand Finals

People are convinced that the international game and hopeful England success will be the key but it won't really. The problem it has it that we really only have 3 teams and that just isn't enough even if the contests and results were more even.

Two other sports (below the obvious number 1 in England of football) Cricket & RU both have much better international scenes but they have the advantage of several top teams followed by a few more lesser nations. If we only play the Aussies and Kiwis (because if we play any other teams it turns into "a joke fixture"icon_wink.gif it won't be enough......NOT IN THE 21st CENTURY. Already the cricketing Ashes has a strange kind of feel to it as they're going down under again in a few months to do it all over again and both those sports would struggle much more if their international was pretty much made up of ENG/AUS/NZ and not much else.

The also have play more, which would only be achievable if we follow suit and have international players missing chunks of their club season to do this......now considering people (including Mr Eve himself) have said that Season Tickets aren't value for money and one of the key reasons is because of the quality of player on show then how will sales go if fans know several 1st teamers will be away for several weeks on tour. How will it help the sport if you have Leeds vs Wigan with both sides missing 5/6/7 1st choice players?

Whilst the Aussies are cashed up, then there is no need/desire for them to play internationals other than the Kiwi ANZAC tests.

The result of this is that when England run out against Australia in Cardiff in 2 months time, it will have been 706 days since they will have played an international against a higher ranked team. 24 days short of 2 years is a farcical amount of time to wait between "meaningful" international games and places England at a massive disadvantage at the RLWC.

In a normal season, Players return to their clubs around the 2nd week of November, so I see no harm in running the Challenge Cup from December to Easter, with a final on Easter Saturday. The new 12 team SL could start and finish earlier feeing uptime for international series to be played.

I would also invest heavily in sending the England Knights and the 2nd tier of the other 2 out to developing nations.

The return of GB will do little to enhance the game outside of the heartlands unless when they are away touring, the home nations + Englands 2/3rd tier and France1/2nd play a regular 5 nations tournament at the same time.


BTW.....I'd have this 5 nations and anything else possible available of FTA TV..........being on satellite TV only is killing the game.

Maybe if London had a world class stadium, 20,000 fans and increased finals viewing by 400-900,000 then they would get the same treatment as Storm have? (Although you seem to miss the point that until this year the NRL did not fund the Storm any extra, their owners covered the shortfall)

That was England's fault. If they had wanted to they could have toured PNG and NZ at the end of last year but chose not to. MAybe it was a financial decision but it was still a decision made by England irrelevant of the fact Australia decided to rest its players.

The storm don't own their stadium and there are plenty of better stadiums in London

2013 isn't a formative year....they've had 16 years of additional funding. London doesn't even get an allowance or London weighting to offset the cost of living in the area.

Melbourne storm are how you should promote an expansion team into the top tier. London Broncos, PSG and Celtic Crusaders are how not to....simplez.

Playing Australia once or twice a year is hardly an international fixture list. By all means let the top 3 play amongst themselves, but send development squads out around the world to grow the game.......because without a decent international set up, then RL has assuredly put the cart before the horse. It isn't soccer, it isn't NFL either...it's a sport with only 30 professional teams with only 5 or 6 of them making a profit.....if the RFL could fill Wembley twice a year, then there's be close to 40,000,000 quid a year for 'development".....instead, they make 95% of their coin from TV.....if uncle Rupert gets bored, then god help the Pro game in the UK.

RL fans in the UK have shown in recent years that if a game isn't included in a season ticket, then they just aren't bothered.......the reliance on TV and the stagnation of the game over the regular season are hardly a great bargaining tool next time the rights are up.

Fact Storm play in a world class stadium, have been funded up until this year by rich owners not the governing body, have drawn crowds over 20k, have pulled in viewing audiences up to 900k people from their city and have won titles. Any suggestion that the meagre amount of money the RFL could afford to give London extra would have acheived any of those things is ludicrous to say the least. You can polish a turd all you like but it remains a turd. There is not the amount of public interest in RL in London to sustain a top flight RL team, sad but those are the facts.


I would also say that the Storm are def not the model for expanding the game. Despite all their success and over a 15yrs of existence the impact on the jnr participation and grass roots in Victoria has been minimal, to the point where the VRL state side is in real danger of dropping to third in the affiliated states rankings,falling behind the NT. Wait till the WARL owns an NRL team then you will see how the game can be grown from the bottom and the top at the same time to get max benefit for the whole game.

I have a feeling I have inadvertently derailed this thread.

Barely any change to the pricing and price bands for next year, which is disappointing. In fact all by one band has gone up in price by £1.

apart from that the only other change I can see is that the bottom row(s) of the lower tier are now lower in price.

2013:



2014:



Maybe the pricing had already been worked out long ago, but you'd have thought the poor crowd at the weekend would have prompted a bit of a re-think.

I also can't understand why they are selling the whole ground so early on, surely the bottom tier and one stand of the upper tier (facing the TV cameras) would have done for now.

also as mentioned before I don't see the need for so many price bands, are the Sky Blue and Royal Blue seats on the top tier for example really that different in terms of view? and does that £6 really alter people's ticket choice? why not just keep it simple and meet in the middle and charge £23/24 quid for the entire block?

£40m where do you get that figure from - if they got the whole attendance money net that would be £210 per person!!

Given most ticket are sold at under £50 where do you get the balance of the monies from? Also you omitted the cost of renting the stadium etc!!

Maybe there was an extra 0 in that figure.

£4 million

is an average of £24 a ticket for 2 games.

my bad...I hit an extra 0

Well i'm all for going back to Cardiff. Play it at night with the roof closed.