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| Quote ="Starbug"Ah , I see , so they dont take into consideration
Stadiums that clubs play at
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Or even location
So what do they decide on ?
Who has the best pies ?
You have excelled yourself with that post
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Yes, you have managed to reproduce the tick list, and added a comedy entry as well. What point are you trying to make? That there is nothing else the RFL need to take into account and so the actual bid was pointless? |
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| Quote ="ExiledTiger"Do you actually understand what subjective means? It means 'influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts.' Now if you genuinely believe that decisions made by the RFL should be 'influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts' that's your prerogative, but I shan't be wasting my time discussing anything further with you.'"
What made you think it was a good idea to provide a deliberately narrow definition of a term and then pretend that any wider definitions didnt exist. On the internet, where there are about a million free on-line dictionaries which will provide you with the full definition of the word?
But to skip past the English lesson you need which I cant be d to give you.
Do I believe that the information needed to provide a full and complete analysis of a clubs best place with in the RL structure is far too wide, far too varied, and in some cases far too idiosyncratic that it would be naive bordering on idiotic to shoehorn such a complex and varied procedure in to a tick box checklist, then yes. It would be stupid. |
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| Quote ="freddies wig"Ah I think I see it now.
Those who the RFL wanted in super league only had to enter a subjective licence application. Anyone they didn't want in there had to submit a quantative one which could be manipulated by being subjective of the quantative. Very clear. It allows the RFL to manipulate the whole process and build an artificial super league of their liking!!!
Hardly fair that eh? Oh, there's that word again!'"
How are you still not getting it?
Even if we accept your bonkers premise that the RFL 'got in who they wanted' I have already explained to you there was no need for them to manipulate the process. The Process allowed them to pick which bids they thought were the best out of the clubs rated C. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"What made you think it was a good idea to provide a deliberately narrow definition of a term and then pretend that any wider definitions didnt exist. On the internet, where there are about a million free on-line dictionaries which will provide you with the full definition of the word?
But to skip past the English lesson you need which I cant be d to give you.
Do I believe that the information needed to provide a full and complete analysis of a clubs best place with in the RL structure is far too wide, far too varied, and in some cases far too idiosyncratic that it would be naive bordering on idiotic to shoehorn such a complex and varied procedure in to a tick box checklist, then yes. It would be stupid.'"
If you insist on being a tiresome language pedant, you better be sure your own brand of English is absolutely correct.
There is an apostrophe in "can't" and there should be a comma after "give you" because it is an unfinished sentence. You've started a question and then turned it in to a statement mid sentence. You forgot a question mark in your very first sentence. There should have been a comma after "need".
Seriously, language pedants are the biggest bores on here and the only reason I'm correcting you is to demonstrate just how hypocritical and stupid you people are. This is a messageboard, not a curriculum vitae. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"The Process allowed them to pick which bids they thought were the best out of the clubs rated C.'"
They could have saved time and money by not rating clubs and just picking all the clubs couldn't they? Or were they trying to give the impression that they were being fair and rating each club against each other on the same areas? |
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"If you insist on being a tiresome language pedant, you better be sure your own brand of English is absolutely correct.
There is an apostrophe in "can't" and there should be a comma after "give you" because it is an unfinished sentence. You've started a question and then turned it in to a statement mid sentence. You forgot a question mark in your very first sentence. There should have been a comma after "need".
Seriously, language pedants are the biggest bores on here and the only reason I'm correcting you is to demonstrate just how hypocritical and stupid you people are. This is a messageboard, not a curriculum vitae.'"
I think you will find I wasnt being pedantic, I kinda made the same point as you. Which considering your last sentence makes your little rant here kind of funny. |
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| Quote ="a.n Other"They could have saved time and money by not rating clubs and just picking all the clubs couldn't they? '" They could, but it would have been quite hard for them to decide which ones they thought were the best without looking at which ones they thought were best.
Quote Or were they trying to give the impression that they were being fair and rating each club against each other on the same areas?'"
They did do this, on one part of the application process. They had another, much wider more subjective part of the process also. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"They could, but it would have been quite hard for them to decide which ones they thought were the best without looking at which ones they thought were best.
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You really think that they wouldnt have known that the Leeds, Wigan or Catalans bid were better than Castlefords or Featherstones without looking at them? |
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So smokey, you're saying the RFL had applications that all got the same grade and then subjectively picked who they "thought" were best. Meaning they picked the teams they wanted. As I just said. That is what subjective means
Who is that doesnt understand?
I'm through with this now. People like you supporting the process shows how naff and retarded the whole thing is. Rugby league deserves to disappear up its own a**e at the moment
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"What made you think it was a good idea to provide a deliberately narrow definition of a term and then pretend that any wider definitions didnt exist. On the internet, where there are about a million free on-line dictionaries which will provide you with the full definition of the word?
But to skip past the English lesson you need which I cant be d to give you.
=#FF0000:2kklhzhaDo I believe that the information needed to provide a full and complete analysis of a clubs best place with in the RL structure is far too wide, far too varied, and in some cases far too idiosyncratic that it would be naive bordering on idiotic to shoehorn such a complex and varied procedure in to a tick box checklist, then yes. It would be stupid.[/
So it was the pies then
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"What made you think it was a good idea to provide a deliberately narrow definition of a term and then pretend that any wider definitions didnt exist. On the internet, where there are about a million free on-line dictionaries which will provide you with the full definition of the word?
But to skip past the English lesson you need which I cant be d to give you.
Do I believe that the information needed to provide a full and complete analysis of a clubs best place with in the RL structure is far too wide, far too varied, and in some cases far too idiosyncratic that it would be naive bordering on idiotic to shoehorn such a complex and varied procedure in to a tick box checklist, then yes. It would be stupid.'"
Its the accepted definition in the Oxford dictionary, but if you feel the need to find some obscure reference from an unvalidated online source in order to try to save face then go ahead. |
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| Quote ="a.n Other"You really think that they wouldnt have known that the Leeds, Wigan or Catalans bid were better than Castlefords or Featherstones without looking at them?'"
Well yes, they did know that. Thats why Leeds were graded A, and Wigan B and Castleford and Featherstone C |
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| Quote ="freddies wig"So smokey, you're saying the RFL had applications that all got the same grade and then subjectively picked who they "thought" were best. Meaning they picked the teams they wanted. As I just said. That is what subjective means
Who is that doesnt understand?
I'm through with this now. People like you supporting the process shows how naff and retarded the whole thing is. Rugby league deserves to disappear up its own a**e at the moment'"
Yes, but you didnt say that. You said that one set submitted bids judged quantatively and another qualitatively. They werent, they were all judged both quantatively and qualitatively.
But yes, im glad we got that cleared up, the clubs were graded using an objective, quantative criteria, then those in the same grading were judged subjectively to decide who was best. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Well yes, they did know that. Thats why Leeds were graded A, and Wigan B and Castleford and Featherstone C'"
So you are saying that they rated Leeds and Wigan higher without looking at the bids - So why bother going through the biding process at all? |
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| Quote ="ExiledTiger"Its the accepted definition in the Oxford dictionary, but if you feel the need to find some obscure reference from an unvalidated online source in order to try to save face then go ahead.'"
Are you sure on that? Are you absolutely positive that the Oxford English Dictionary defines subjective solely as Quote ="ExiledTiger"'influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts.' .'" ?there isnt anymore you have left out? It isnt describe as an antonym of objective by any chance?
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| Quote ="a.n Other"So you are saying that they rated Leeds and Wigan higher without looking at the bids - So why bother going through the biding process at all?'"
No, im saying that the RFL used objective, quantative criteria from within the bids to grade the clubs. Those clubs graded C were then scrutinised in a subjective qualitative way to decide which clubs were admitted and which clubs werent. |
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| Quote ="Starbug"So it was the pies then'" If you are dumb enough to think that pies are the only other consideration then yes. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No, im saying that the RFL used objective, quantative criteria from within the bids to grade the clubs. Those clubs graded C were then scrutinised in a subjective qualitative way to decide which clubs were admitted and which clubs werent.'"
Ok, i didnt ask you that though. I asked you if you thought the RFL would have been able to tell that the Wigan, Leeds or Catalans bid would have been better than Cas's or Fevs without seeing them. |
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| Quote ="a.n Other"Ok, i didnt ask you that though. I asked you if you thought the RFL would have been able to tell that the Wigan, Leeds or Catalans bid would have been better than Cas's or Fevs without seeing them.'"
I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were simply asking for clarification rather than asking a pointless random question about what I can guess the RFL would guess about Wigan and Leeds.
The RFL used the bids to grade the clubs, the clubs they graded higher were admitted with a few pointers on where they wanted them to improve. Those graded lower were subjected to a subjective analysis and those who came out best where admitted and those who came out worst werent.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were simply asking for clarification rather than asking a pointless random question about what I can guess the RFL would guess about Wigan and Leeds.
The RFL used the bids to grade the clubs, the clubs they graded higher were admitted with a few pointers on where they wanted them to improve. Those graded lower were subjected to a subjective analysis and those who came out best where admitted and those who came out worst werent.
Any speculation on what the RFL guessed about the bids before were submitted is frankly ridiculous.'"
I havent suggested that the RFL guessed. What i am suggesting though is that the RFL didnt need to go through the grading process. It was imo pointless - they could have just said - these are the 14 teams
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| Quote ="a.n Other"I havent suggested that the RFL guessed. What i am suggesting though is that the RFL didnt need to go through the grading process. It was imo pointless - they could have just said - these are the 14 teams
I am presuming you know what the subjective analysis was that the RFL carried out? If you could provide a link to this it would be fantastic.'"
But it wasn't just subjective , it was Qualititive, Quantitive, Objective and Subjective or in other words
Total bollox
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| Quote ="Starbug"But it wasn't just subjective , it was Qualititive, Quantitive, Objective and Subjective or in other words
Total bollox
When they start using lots of big long words tacked onto each other you know they are just trying to sound clever and confuse people'"
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Quote ="a.n Other"I havent suggested that the RFL guessed. What i am suggesting though is that the RFL didnt need to go through the grading process. It was imo pointless - they could have just said - these are the 14 teams'" They could, but they didnt know which clubs were the best 14 yet. It seems crazy to make the decision without asking for the information necessary to make that decision.
Quote I am presuming you know what the subjective analysis was that the RFL carried out? If you could provide a link to this it would be fantastic.'" The subjective analysis was done on things like the business plans and marketing strategies. The plans the clubs had to get from where they were, to where they needed to be. Things like that would have been impossible to judge objectively.
This link has a good explanation from the RFL.
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/rugby-le ... 4302787.jp
btw. This link, which explains the process, how it wasnt a tick box process, and how they would be subjective analysis was published prior to the franchise decision being known. Which shows up a few people and how they have refused to believe the process or condemned the RFL for not being clear about the process. |
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Quote I am presuming you know what the subjective analysis was that the RFL carried out? If you could provide a link to this it would be fantastic.'" The subjective analysis was done on things like the business plans and marketing strategies. The plans the clubs had to get from where they were, to where they needed to be. Things like that would have been impossible to judge objectively.
This link has a good explanation from the RFL.
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/rugby-le ... 4302787.jp
btw. This link, which explains the process, how it wasnt a tick box process, and how they would be subjective analysis was published prior to the franchise decision being known. Which shows up a few people and how they have refused to believe the process or condemned the RFL for not being clear about the process. | |
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