His team is Hull fc, so it's a case of i'm alright jack. Their stance,opinions, reactions, only change when it affects them.

My concern is how will the RFL make a 12 team SL next year? If a team from the championship is cherry picked it will cause a lot of controversy ,and will cause unwelcome ramifications. There MUST be a playoff for promotion with clubs who would be willing to enter.

I agree that there should be a SL spot for a championship club next year. By all means have a play off, by all means, have it decided by a panel. I apologise if I was not clear on that.



We cannot run with 11 clubs next year and allow TWP to create further damage even now they don't exist.

TWP cannot be back in SL next year, the owner has gone so there's nowt left, Any idea of them carrying on was in the Championship or back to League one under new ownership anyway.

If I was choosing I'd go for either Leigh who went down from 11th or London who went down for a bunch of phoneys.

Both deserve a second chance, so for me I'd have them play off for SL next year

Yeh, I know the Faux Frenchman is now "silent"

However he isn't out and out abusive.

But if I did get the better of him this "Steph Curry" seemed to appear to pile on the abuse, like she/he is his minder

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R. Elstone appears to be smoothing the way towards T.W being a SL Club for 2021 though ?

Yes, I'm fully aware that TW are gone. For me tho, all the championship clubs who are able to play,and justify themselves for a place in SL should be part of a playoff comp.

If that happens Ste, why should we bother anymore? The phoney club has shattered our game and should be rid of.

Well this is uneccesarily a dying website because of the horrendous trolling, but I'm proud to admit I've started some threads to get genuine heart felt Rugby League conversation moving again, and it's been good.

But it has accelerated the trolling that's become nastier than ever. Seems these people (It could be just one) want the victory of closing it down

Anyway over on TRL the TWP thread was running at a four figure level of posts, then all of a sudden Argylle waved bye-bye and the thread descended into what do we talk about now with several pages of ramblings. The Mod Drake locked it declaring those last pages "Pathetic". Does he want contributors or what?

This year could run with 11 in SL. Magic isn't a problem, just send the 1st placed team directly to Old Trafford G.F *as finishing top over the course of a season proves the best team, whereas winning a G.F in 1 game makes a team the best team out of 2 on one given day*, remaining clubs to fight it out for the 2nd Finalist spot !

Give notice now to all Clubs to submit detailed applications for a new "Franchise" Super League of 16 in 2022 *this includes all current SL Member Clubs* !

Selection will be based on strict criteria but actually upheld this time around.
1. Business plan
2. Finances *proven*.
3. Stadia *including tenure contract agreements*
4. Attendances
5. A 5 point bonus to clubs outside the Lancs/Yorkshire/GM area.
6. All clubs to run a full academy/reserves, checked every year for duration of licence. No academy, no entry.
7. All licences to run for 3 years & reassessed during season 3rd season.
8. An opportunity for clubs under SL to replace underperforming SL Clubs


I would apportion points on a sliding scale of 10 to 1 in each category with an independent specialist appointed to oversee & assist in the selection processes.

If my club are not included on merit then so be it, if your club lose their place then they have not prepared or invested.so tough.

Jean/Silent/Steph whoever you are, I don't need "employing" I'm happy to volunteer to stimulate RL discussion amongst RL fans for nothing. Anyway.......

With at least 10 English clubs in SL and at least six English wannabee clubs outside Superleague, I think it is a good idea that going forward they get some priority. The SKY deal is theirs and Les Catalans have made themselves into a big club[u but[/u I don't think they have done much for French Rugby League.......

1. They didn't make an effort to underpin a French test team once they got an SL place to do so.
2. They progressively made their first team more anglo-aussie than French
3. They started an academy but quickly abandoned that
4. They pretty much blew things with the Folau farce

I sympathise in terms of their difficulty to deliver what Richard Lewis wanted of them. It's tough enough to develop a club let alone develop a whole national game.

But now we have Toulouse those two clubs can get together and sort out a rivalry, via derby games, sort out a French TV deal of some magnitude, and concentrate on having a significant number of French players in both sides. They should between them develop a player pathway for French talent.

The best place for that would be the Championship, Providing a decent level of Rugby at which the best say 30+ French lads would handle well. In short this "One French club" being made to field Anglo/Aussies to compete in SL thus destroying their ability to develop French lads, could operate with a second French club at a lower level to actually deliver French growth?.

The irony is Jean/Steph/Siilent that if it is a dying website you sir and your ilk are killing it



Genuine replies only please?

Ooooh I see your point mate, but I don't agree one teensy little bit.

I think Elstone prefers the story where TWP sadly ran out of money so they can have another go from the Championship next year....

As opposed the the game let in a bunch of Phonies even Superleague pathetically fell for in the end............

Nobody wants to admit they were taken for a ride but the RFL certainly were, then the SL fell for it.

Once Melbourne storm's owner decided to widen the ownership of the Storm, Argylle was straight out of the door to seek to take the opportunity he had always dreamed of and sought.

Bottom line is multi-$Billionaires do not run out of money

Well let's be honest about this, most aspiring English clubs have plenty of [i"junior products"[/i who then sign a playing deal where they can eventually step up to the lower Echelons of the 30 man first team squad. Many are given a chance and in time don't make it or drop to lower divisions. We need clubs where young players are in such an abundance that the one quality talent in 50 can come through, to be steadily followed by more quality talent, from more hundreds of wannabees.

To have such a system SL clubs put scores of good young prospects through their local junior game via the foundation, then academy and then reserve teams.

Ottawa are not "about to start" in this respect. Eric Perez stared way back in 2010 taking the reigns at Canada RL, so he's had a ten years start in Canadian rugby League, to get players developed through grass roots systems. He started 10 years ago and hasn't developed a single young Canadian

Time has shown his abject failure.....

I think we should wait till next year before making any predictions about overseas teams. This Covid-19 virus isn't showing any signs of going away any time soon. Hopefully in 6 months time, we will have some kind of normality, but I somehow doubt it.

I do not appreciate being accused of having multiple accounts.

Don't categorize me with the other two.

Agreed: It was never going to be perfect. Our game has never been perfect. Anyone who builds a club from scratch and gets quick success is always going hit some obstacle that then have to be broken down, steadily. Planning are flexibility is key. The energy, money and time required is difficult to sustain as you cannot keep all of the people, happy all of the time. Too many sidelines screamers. You heard them, you've tried to ignore, them, you know who they are. They are the ones that never made a tackle,started or ran a club, or took the whistle to ensure players can 'play our wonderful game, but alway they know the rules better than the ref.

Sometimes quick success is a chain around one's neck as fickle people want it to continue EVERY year, thereafter. It cannot be done smoothly. There must always be a ten year plan, that is updated each year, (so ALWAYS a next ten year plan), because you will hit peaks and troughs.

TWP may or may not succeed in SL with the COVID chaos that is affecting every single company on the globe, but wow what a great job they have done thus far.

Given the Covid wasn't the reason at all for TWP's collapse, it was Argylle pulling out, I think we should wait until Ottawa declare a real owner who has real money to burn, and wait until we see if the 2022 SKY deal suddenly changes from what SL bosses said it will be which wasn't NA expansion before, NOT writing them off as a possible future professional SL club

Genuine question for fans of Leigh and current championship clubs.

Genuine consensus on these threads is that Toronto should be dropped a division or two. If this were to occur, they would probably favorites for promotion at next years end. This would create a problem for ambitious champ clubs who would have their promotion chances greatly reduced.

What would you prefer? Toronto to stay in super league or drop to championship but therefore reducing your clubs chances of success?

I’m up for getting sharlston rovers into superleague not many will go there and win, at anything lol

What squad of players will Toronto have next season, will they be in a position to max the cap and who would sign for them - difficult to see what there set up will be for next season irrespective of which league the will be in

He gave you two false choices on purpose.

As it stands the sole owner of the club has walked and all the players are up for sale.

There is no Toronto Wolfpack apart from the remnants being wound up.

Try this, If YOU could choose who would you put in Superleague in their place??

Same genuine question for anyone else?

This sounds like a sensible plan.
However, with players and staff furloughed and no plans to begin training, how would you start up any play off competition ?

Unless a format could be agreed amongst the Championship clubs, with agreement from SL that the winner had the right to be promoted, it's a non runner.
Even if the top 4/6 clubs were heavily in favour, what about the rest and it's worth noting that every game would add to the losses of the clubs involved.
The cost of players, staff, medics and rental of "covid safe" stadia etc, makes it all the more difficult to get going.

Having said that, some sort of mini league, with the winners gaining promotion, has to be better than some kind of arbitrary vote or cherry picking a club of SL's choice -this would be massively unpopular accross the sport.

Perhaps it's up to the Championship clubs to come up with a plan and force the issue ?

That is what I actually mean.

Be serious for once.

What would you choose?

You champion English champ clubs and have said recently that Toronto should be in championship. If that is where they are to restart, then it makes life a lot harder for Widnes, Bradford, Leigh, London etc.

That's not the question I asked.

I think he did answer you just not willing to except it



you class Toronto as favourites to come back up if they get demoted not relegated as they chose not to complete the season, but you won't have a clue if they will have any players left or even have a team to compete, this your problem you don't accept reality your still binkered to the so called expansion dreams

Come back when you can see the bigger picture when we all know what is happening