Explain why a club looking to get promoted through winning the league has a different aim to a club which is already promoted but is spending a bit of time preparing for promotion? I would have thought that self-evident.
Why would a club scouting its own youngsters care what the SL clubs wanted to give them? they wouldnt give them anything, they would find them themselves. Im not sure how much more i can simplify that for you. Why you are obsessed with what SL clubs are doing in this context nobody knows.


Maybe so would indeed indicate a positive response. An agreement with a premise almost. Well done on noticing that. A Gold Star for you.

Then you employed incredibly poor sales people. If they cant do better in 2 years than 6 months, they are idiots. Employed by an idiot.

it would of course cost more money to do something, than not to bother. If it was underfunded by incompetent people, and done by incompetent people, then yes the uplift would be negligible, Im starting to see a pattern here. And maybe what went wrong at Leigh

and many of them are very poorly run.
yes yes, it all just comes to you, What was i saying about incompetence again???



Catalans also prepared by employing lots of good young players, and giving them experience. They also now have fewer overseas players than Hull kingston Australia and have more on field success. They have also achieved more stadium improvements and in pretty much every other way.

Good example for proving my point, thanks Starbug.

Cant you 2 just pm each other or something?

Why dont you just off back to australia ?

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The argument was about splitting between part time and full time , but as you cannot answer that you pretend a different argument was taking place

Again

So I'll tell you again idiot , having half a squad full time and half part time doesn't work , you ok with that now

yes we were, i explained it would 'work' because there would be a different outcome wanted for our hypothetical club (an aim if you will)to Widnes and Leigh when they were in SL, you asked me to explain these differences, i did. Wheres your beef homes?

So you are suggesting that a club would ' scout ' its own players from where ? , scholarship to SL in 3 years , you have no answer again , which tells me once again you havent a clue how these things operate

the same place everybody scouts their own players from. And no i dont expect them to have a squad full of these players in three years. That is something you have invented.

Go yourself you ignorant prick , you were wrong but you havent the balls to admit it

18 quality juniors plus enough experience would cost double the Championship salary cap

stop shouting brands at me coca-cola face...........

and what would be the problem if it did cost double the Salary Cap. If it didnt cause the league to be uncompetitive, what would be the problem.

Then you employed incredibly poor sales people. If they cant do better in 2 years than 6 months, they are idiots. Employed by an idiot.
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So sponsors only commit hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of pounds, and Companies only buy hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of hospitality a few weeks before the season starts? Before a few weeks prior to the start of the season nobody wants to know?

Yeah, one thing big multi-national companies are known for is how little budgeting and planning they do. They definitely definitely dont want to plan their corporate hospitality, or sponsorship, they want to sort it all out a few weeks before the season starts in November/December

If there is one thing that bugs me it is when someone puts a statement on a forum,then end with "discuss".
What the hell do they think we are going to do,bake a cake?

Give me an example , come on how many big multi nationals do lets say Quins,HKR,Saints , even Leeds deal with in deals worth hundreds of thousands , nah , MILLION pound deals ?

Away you go sunshine tell us which clubs sell corporate hospitality for hundreds of thousands of pounds ?

I know the Rhinos do, but of course that information for obvious reasons isnt in the public domain.

Though im sure you will explain how Leeds turn over nearly £12m a year with less than a hundred thousand from corporates, and less than a million in sponsorship.

But what we do know, is that all the corporate hospitality sales leeds make, and all their sponsorship deals are done a few weeks before the season starts, which makes me wonder why they employ a year round corporate and commercial sales team?

How do you know then?

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So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions , maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there

Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ?

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Simple maths , ave corporate , no top corporate £ 100 per cover per game , so that would be 1,000 covers per season , so that would need a company to take around 60/70 seats per match for a whole season , i'm sure there are companies taking 6/7 tables for every match at Headingley

, the same deal would take ALL the corporate at Saints,Cas,Wakey,HKR,Salford and large slices of Huddersfield,Crusaders , not forgetting the hundreds that attend at the stoop

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Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.

Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.

Leeds have large corporate facilities because they have them. They make more from the corporates in the Carnegie stand than they do in the north stand. Have you been in the corporate facilities in the Carnegie stand, they are lovely.

as for other clubs, i dont know, i havent mentioned them, simply that this money is out there if you can go and get it. Like Leeds did.

So Leeds sell out ALL their corporate facilities pre season , ALL of them ? , so if I wanted to dine at a Leeds game and I wanted to book it mid season , I couldn't ?

Beside which you were suggesting a hypothetical club in Leigh could sell these years in advance and yet the mighty Leeds only sell them a few weeks before the season starts

Contradiction time again , maybe they need more ' preparation ' time

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" =#FF0000no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Yes you did

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" =#FF0000no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Yes you did

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?

Quote ="SmokeyTA" Quote ="Starbug" So Leeds ' might ' have a sponsoship deal that ' might ' be in the millions , but you dont know , because they wouldn't want to publicise it would they , that sponsor wouldn't want Leeds to advertise that sponsorship would they , in return for their millions ,'" you mean other than the fact they obviously do advertise their sponsorship, like having it written on their shirts for instance. But maybe leeds dont want to say quite how much because it puts them in a weaker bargaining position when they come to renegotiate. Very rarely will clubs themselves advertise how much they sell their sponsorship for. You will likely see only the very largest reported, and then at sums 'thought to be around' a certain figure. for instance news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8562299.stm where there is no reported figure at all or their previous one news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8081787.stm Quote maybe Saints or Cas have deals like that , after all they are SL clubs and have full time ' marketing teams ' selling corporate [ I have been in the corporate at both those clubs , and believe me nobody pays hundreds of thousands to go in there '" =#FF0000I havent mentiond Saints or Cas, its nice of you to bring them in to the conversation though. Quote Maybe the ' block of flats ' at Wakey and Odsal draw in millions and millions a year ? Brilliant '" =#FF0000from what i know of Wakefield, the block of flats are surprisingly profitable. Quote And you suggest a club like Leigh [ we were discussing a hypothetical situation of Leigh being given 2/3 years to prepare would have big multi nationals queing up You just get better and better'" no i didnt, it was you who has continually said that clubs would have sponsors, corporates and fans just itching to get involved, that if you wait until promotion it will all come to you, which gives us quite a depressing insight in to Leigh, and all the more proof franchising was desperately desperately needed. I just said with a bit more time, say 2 or 3 years, Leigh would be able to attract better sponsors, more corporates and sell more tickets.'" Why arent they SL clubs ? It costs ' hundreds of thousands ' to go in those ?

i being a sarcastic there Starbug, i.e it would be idiotic to pretend leeds sold all their corporate facilities in the few short weeks before the season starts.

its clear the sarcasm didnt work as expected, however you deciding to argue how idiotic your own point (that clubs can only sell their corporates and sponsorship a few weeks before the season starts) was quite the unexpected bonus.