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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"its not an excuse it is a fact.
Foul and abusive language is decided by the referee.
Hull KR fans running around shouting "miss miss, but Jamie swore as well miss" isnt going to make any difference.
Zak Hardaker has been charged with a different offence.'"
Weyman ban overturned. All we ask is a level playing field, you'd be the first up in arms if it was one of yours.
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| Quote ="rover49"Weyman ban overturned. All we ask is a level playing field, you'd be the first up in arms if it was one of yours.'"
No i wouldnt, its a joke. Im sure every single player in RL has sworn on the pitch at sometime in their lives. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with leaving it to the ref.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No i wouldnt, its a joke. Im sure every single player in RL has sworn on the pitch at sometime in their lives. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with leaving it to the ref.'" Seeing as you are a Leeds fan I hardly find that surprising.
I wonder if you would get agreement with fans of SL clubs Leeds, Wigan, Saints and Warrington apart?
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| Perhaps if the RFL produce a list at the start of each season of acceptable swear words...
Or have themed rounds where different swear words are acceptable
The medieval round could be good...
God’s blood, God’s teeth, By the Virgin, By Satan’s hairy
The shakespeare round:-
Thou gorbellied brazen-faced gudgeon!
Thou puking ill-breeding malcontent!
Thou infectious guts-griping hedge-pig!
Thou pribbling milk-livered haggard!
Seriously though....foul and abusive language is very offensive to individuals and very off putting to the TV and it needs cleaning up in sport. Good to see RL taking a lead on this
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No i wouldnt, its a joke. Im sure every single player in RL has sworn on the pitch at sometime in their lives. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with leaving it to the ref.'"
I am also sure every single player has sworn on the pitch and I am also sure that Tim Roby has heard thousands of incidents of swearing on the pitch, it would be interesting to see how many times he has reached for a straight red in those incidents. All the majority of fans want is consistency, something which is lacking in our sport. If we are to have video at games, replays of incidents on Sky and review panels, then we should expect that offences of a similar nature are dealt with the same but at the moment they are not.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Seeing as you are a Leeds fan I hardly find that surprising.
I wonder if you would get agreement with fans of SL clubs Leeds, Wigan, Saints and Warrington apart?'"
probably not, RL unfortunately has a large proportion of victims and are becoming as bad, if not worse than football fans in respect of the referee
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| Quote ="rover49"I am also sure every single player has sworn on the pitch and I am also sure that Tim Roby has heard thousands of incidents of swearing on the pitch, it would be interesting to see how many times he has reached for a straight red in those incidents. All the majority of fans want is consistency, something which is lacking in our sport. If we are to have video at games, replays of incidents on Sky and review panels, then we should expect that offences of a similar nature are dealt with the same but at the moment they are not.'"
do you drive? have you ever gone over the speed limit? Ever committed any other traffic offence?
its the same thing, yeah everyone does it, and yeah for the most time there is no further issue. Every once in a while you will go too far, or deal with the wrong officer and get punished.
Going to court and saying 'well everyone does it' is not going to get you very far and you can't complain it is unfair, you knew the rules of the road, you are bang to rights.
Do you really want the disciplinary system going through every minute of every game and picking out every incidence of swearing and banning players? Do you really want the refs power to discipline a player who he thinks has taken it too far taken away from him?
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| It's interesting that Roby thought he heard someone swear at him and made the apparent wrong decision to send him off, yet James Child hears a player use homophobic language and does nothing but report it after.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"It's interesting that Roby thought he heard someone swear at him and made the apparent wrong decision to send him off, yet James Child hears a player use homophobic language and does nothing but report it after.'"
And although Roby heard something he thought was aimed at him, the players involved both said it it wasn't. Weyman was still banned and then the independent panel agrees with the players and overturns the ban. The system is simply not fit for purpose. The original panel can't even act like a proper decision making panel and just agreed with the ref in the face of the "evidence"
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"It's interesting that Roby thought he heard someone swear at him and made the apparent wrong decision to send him off, yet James Child hears a player use homophobic language and does nothing but report it after.'" Indeed strange isn't it.
It would seem the referees pick and choose when to apply the rules. Who would have thought it eh
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Indeed strange isn't it.
It would seem the referees pick and choose when to apply the rules. Who would have thought it eh
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you do realise they are different offences dont you?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you do realise they are different offences dont you?'"
No they aren't.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"probably not, RL unfortunately has a large proportion of victims and are becoming as bad, if not worse than football fans in respect of the referee'" Well you could say that.
Roby wrongly (As has been proved) sends a player off for use of bad language that he wrongly thought was aimed at him with no warning or yellow or any discussion. The disciplinary panel wrongly (As has been proved) found Weyman guilty. Yet Jamie had no case and in fact wasn't even brought up to answer for comments that were clearly aimed at the referee (F'in bent c...) unless that was also a homophobic comment? Strange that
Child heard a homophobic comment (As the statement from Hardaker confirms) and does nothing what so ever.
You explain to me how that can happen?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you do realise they are different offences dont you?'" So are you saying using homophobic comments on the field of play isn't a sending off offence yet swearing is?
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| Quote ="roversmad"No they aren't.'"
Yes. They are. With different names and punishments and everything.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Yes. They are. With different names and punishments and everything.'"
Gosh. Aren't you clever?
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Well you could say that.
Roby wrongly (As has been proved) sends a player off for use of bad language that he wrongly thought was aimed at him with no warning or yellow or any discussion. The disciplinary panel wrongly (As has been proved) found Weyman guilty. Yet Jamie had no case and in fact wasn't even brought up to answer for comments that were clearly aimed at the referee (F'in bent c...) unless that was also a homophobic comment? Strange that
Child heard a homophobic comment (As the statement from Hardaker confirms) and does nothing what so ever.
You explain to me how that can happen?'"
Yes, very easily. Child wasnt offended by Peacock. Roby was. That is a decision that is left to the refs opinion.
As I said, everyone gets away with some minor traffic violations. Sometimes you dont. Throwing your hands up and crying its not fair is pretty pointless. You knew the rules, you knew your running the risk, Dont do it and you will be fine, run the risk and you might not be.
I ask again, do you want the disciplinary running through every minute of every game to check every angle to see if a player swore? Do you want the power of the referee to send a player from the field when he thinks he has gone too far taken away from him?
Steve Ganson once punished Carl Ablett for laughing in a funny way. Sometimes you push a refs buttons, sometimes you dont.
I also dont think it strange that Child didnt deal with the Hardaker issue at the time. It is a serious offence with a serious punishment and serious ramifications. Im comfortable with this been dealt with after the fact, when the necessary and appropriate time can be spent making the right decision. Our approach, as a game, to discrimination is too important for us to rush in to it. Can you imagine the problems the game would cause itself to have a referee send a player off and accuse him publicly (because it would need to go in to the report) accuse him of homophobia on the field and been wrong? As I have said, i personally question whether punishment is the best way to address discrimination, whether education and engagement with that community would not be better. However if Hardaker is punished on the back of a considered verdict I wont complain.
Lets not forget, Hardaker has yet to be found guilty even if he has been charged.
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| Quote ="roversmad"Gosh. Aren't you clever?'"
Thank you.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Yes, very easily. Child wasnt offended by Peacock. Roby was. That is a decision that is left to the refs opinion.
As I said, everyone gets away with some minor traffic violations. Sometimes you dont. Throwing your hands up and crying its not fair is pretty pointless. You knew the rules, you knew your running the risk, Dont do it and you will be fine, run the risk and you might not be.
I ask again, do you want the disciplinary running through every minute of every game to check every angle to see if a player swore? Do you want the power of the referee to send a player from the field when he thinks he has gone too far taken away from him?
Steve Ganson once punished Carl Ablett for laughing in a funny way. Sometimes you push a refs buttons, sometimes you dont.
I also dont think it strange that Child didnt deal with the Hardaker issue at the time. It is a serious offence with a serious punishment and serious ramifications. Im comfortable with this been dealt with after the fact, when the necessary and appropriate time can be spent making the right decision. Our approach, as a game, to discrimination is too important for us to rush in to it. Can you imagine the problems the game would cause itself to have a referee send a player off and accuse him publicly (because it would need to go in to the report) accuse him of homophobia on the field and been wrong? As I have said, i personally question whether punishment is the best way to address discrimination, whether education and engagement with that community would not be better. However if Hardaker is punished on the back of a considered verdict I wont complain.
Lets not forget, Hardaker has yet to be found guilty even if he has been charged.'" Him being offened isn't the issue you pillock.
Is homophobia more, less or as acceptable as swearing on a RL field?
A straight answer if you can ta.
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| Quote ="roversmad"Gosh. Aren't you clever?'"
No he isn't. He's your typical barrack room lawyer who thinks he can outsmart folk with his use of big words and lengthy arguments. He usually wins because said folk get p*ssed off and can't be bothered with the boring t*t.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Him being offened isn't the issue you pillock.
Is homophobia more, less or as acceptable as swearing on a RL field?
A straight answer if you can ta.'"
Yes, it is. It is the referees decision to make.
Homophobia is unacceptable anywhere. Whether it is more or less acceptable the swearing on an RL field is neither here nor there. Its a false comparison you are using to feed in to your victim complex.
I never said that homophobia was less acceptable than swearing and it is deliberately disingenuous for you to pretend I did. Its not a competition and any type of ranking would be entirely meaningless and pointless.
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| Except in a case where a send off is warranted/expected. If the ref heard it he should have walked him. As a rovers fan I don't have a problem with Weyman being sent off if the ref thought the aggressive language was directed at him. What I do have a problem with is peacock not being walked for exactly the same thing. All fans ask for is consistency. Not hard for refs to know that foul language directed at them equals a send off every time. God forbid we become like soccer with players chasing refs around the pitch! The for the rfl to charge Weyman and not change peacock just rubs salt into the wounds.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Yes, it is. It is the referees decision to make.
Homophobia is unacceptable anywhere. Whether it is more or less acceptable the swearing on an RL field is neither here nor there. Its a false comparison you are using to feed in to your victim complex.
I never said that homophobia was less acceptable than swearing and it is deliberately disingenuous for you to pretend I did. Its not a competition and any type of ranking would be entirely meaningless and pointless.'" I'm not trying to feed anything clown shoes I'm pointing out that refs decide which rules they want to apply when it suits them and in this case Child copped a deaf 'un seeing as we have statements saying he actually heard it. Any fan who isn't being disingenuous (Clearly not you) will admit that the bigger clubs get more decisions like this then the smaller ones.
Thanks however for admitting that refs play fast and loose with the rules although you could have just said that right from the start.
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| Yes refs do decide which rules to apply and when. That is because they are referees and that is their job. To apply the rules as and when they see fit. Did no one explain that to you when you were young?
And yes, children will tell you that their club is on the wrong end of a referees bias. Its how they deal with losing. They can't accept they or their team arent the bestest in the world so they need to find someone else to blame and the smaller teams lose more often.
So i will ask you again, which do you want? The RFL to watch every single game from every single angle and ban every single player they see swearing? or the referees power to send a player he thinks has gone to far from the field?
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