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Three MAJOR turning points in last nights game..
1. Burgess not passing to Tomkins with he line begging to make it 12-0
2. Tomkins having a penalty against him for not playing the ball properly when the Aussie player was all over him, they went down field and score in the next set of six.
3. Alfie Langer spending the whole first half coaching on field, directing their defensive line and calling the plays in attack.
Would have been a totally different game
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| Quote ="Owdpopularsider"Three MAJOR turning points in last nights game..
1. Burgess not passing to Tomkins with he line begging to make it 12-0
2. Tomkins having a penalty against him for not playing the ball properly when the Aussie player was all over him, they went down field and score in the next set of six.
3. Alfie Langer spending the whole first half coaching on field, directing their defensive line and calling the plays in attack.
Would have been a totally different game'"
The Inglis try also.
England ahead at half time - different game OR
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Tony Smith has resigned as coach of the England rugby league side.
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| Quote ="Conroy"What were the medal totals in the last Olympics again?'"
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Thats a shame, i thought he was doing ok.
Positives- destroying the Kiwis 3-0 in the test series,including a 44-0 win.
Getting us to the four nations final.
Having the balls to drop big name players like Pryce, Burrows, McGuire, Gleeson etc and bringing in youth.
Negatives-
The World Cup.
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| Quote ="WindleSaint"Thats a shame, i thought he was doing ok.
Positives- destroying the Kiwis 3-0 in the test series,including a 44-0 win.
Getting us to the four nations final.
Having the balls to drop big name players like Pryce, Burrows, McGuire, Gleeson etc and bringing in youth.
Negatives-
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And still not winning anything but I won't hold that against him'"
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| Quote ="10940"What a load of codswallop,ifyou are proud of Englands performance last night,then you are very easily pleased,from your post I presume you meant that you were proud because you didn't get belted by 60 points.
And the injury to Shenton did NOTHING to the score line,you poms just want to use anything as an excuse for the perpetual hidings that you get fromthe Aussies,and have done for more than 37 years,and if you don't change your style of play,the NEXT 37 years.....and talking about giving up,that is what Australia did at halftime when we beat you by 10 points because we can nailyou by 40 or50 anytime we want,ANYTIME.'"
Are you banging on again? You just compared Burgess & Peacock to carthorses & now you're making it sound like we've never beaten you in 37 years.
Slag us off as much as you want. We are gracious in defeat, unlike you in victory. So as i've said a few times already on this thread 'well done'.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I was very proud of England for 60 minutes when they matched them toe to toe. For the last 20 minutes, though, I was very embarrassed by England because they capitulated. They decided not to bother defending anymore but instead opted for the easy course of letting their backline run riot. I hope the boys are proud of that because I wasn't. I'd frozen by butt off for over three hours and cheered my head off each time they scored, looked close to scoring (a number of times) and defended well. At least they could have lost with dignity.'"
Totally agree. The record books will show the score alone and not how close the game was in reality. That last 20 minutes was extremely disappointing. I had driven up from the Midlands (not the ends of the earth, I know) via several diversions thanks to an M1 closure for the most of the day. I don't think the crowd helped in that last 20. The ground was half empty by full time! Some may say cause, some may say effect, but some of the people sat around me arrived 10 minutes into the game and left 15 minutes before the end. And they weren't Wiganners ! What kind of message does that send to the players? The Kiwis can stage a comeback, so why couldn't we ?
In some respects our players seemed a little naive. I guess that comes with the relative inexperience some have at international level. Having said that, I was proud of their energy and passion compared to the "old school". Until the last 20 that is..........
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| Quote ="10940"It is stupid and it was one sided for the last 20 minutes VERY onesided.
46-16..well I call it one-sided.
And dont forget we had our first try disallowed and many officials disagreed with that,it was a very debatable point.'" pmsl wot a tool...i bet you were one of those that said you cons should have been handed the world cup before a ball had been touched...and then were silenced...i dont mind ppl that gloat but dont think your overhyped gutless national team are unbeatable just ask the kiwi's |
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| Quote ="10940"A lot greater than you shower at most sports,Tiddley-winks Curling and snooker are about the only sports we cant beat you at,...dont forget we beat you at soccer the last time we met,and that is the yardstick we must go by,...don't say "itwas only a friendly"there is never anything friendly between Australia & England at sport.and just wait for the Commonwealth games results,boy o boy will you take yet another slugging there.
46-16 dont forget it EASY VERY EASY.'"
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| Quote ="10940"A lot greater than you shower at most sports,Tiddley-winks Curling and snooker are about the only sports we cant beat you at,...'"
Ahh, convieniantly forgot The Ashes there, yes YOU LOST, but hey yuor still World champs at Aussie Rules  |
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"And don't forget that Slater had a clear knock on given as a try, so things balance out.
What you're whinging about when you actually won I have no idea. But you Aussies whinge at anything and everything.'"
I whinge about all the excuses you poms think up every time you are beaten at ANY sport,it is absolutely amazing some of the excuses I've read over the years...two weeks ago when you held Australia scoreless in the second half,you poms were bragging about lifting your game and not letting Australia have any chances,...this week end when Australia belted the s**t outof you in the second half there have been excuses galore why England fell down, no one has said Australia lifted their game and gave us a hiding..which is what actually happened...
Let's face the truth poms,you are light years behind Australia at Rugby League and many other sports. I only look at Soccer,Motor GP Cycling and snooker as the only sports that you are above us in world ranking.and I don't think Motor racing or Snooker can be classed as "sports" |
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| Quote ="Conroy"What were the medal totals in the last Olympics again?'"
I think you lot had a couple of medals more than us,unlike 2004 and earlier,...just look at the medal counts for the last few Commonwealth games in which Australia & England are just about the only competitors.
Medal Counts for the last 6 Commonwealth Games.
2006
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2 England 36 40 34 110
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2 England 54 52 60 166
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2 England 36 49 53 138
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2 Canada 41 43 49 133
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| Quote ="Owdpopularsider"Three MAJOR turning points in last nights game..
1. Burgess not passing to Tomkins with he line begging to make it 12-0
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3. Alfie Langer spending the whole first half coaching on field, directing their defensive line and calling the plays in attack.
4 Australia had the first try of the match disallowed for not grounding properly,yet the ball was under his body.
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| Quote ="12noon"Tony Smith has resigned as coach of the England rugby league side.'"
He is an Australian but if he comes "home" he will be lucky to get a position coaching under 14 girls. |
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| Quote ="WindleSaint"Are you banging on again? You just compared Burgess & Peacock to carthorses & now you're making it sound like we've never beaten you in 37 years. ..'"
England have never won a championship in which Australia played for 37 years,in the time where only Australia & England were the only teams involved,when the best of 3 were played in England,Australia used to let England win the first at Wembley knowing that if they didn't they would be lucky for more than 5.000 to turn up to Elland Road or Wigan to see the decider.
I would back 5 of the Australian pack to outsprint Burgess in 50metres and I would back all 6 to beatPeacock....CARTHORSES....YES |
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| Quote ="Jake The Dog"Ahh, convieniantly forgot The Ashes there, yes YOU LOST, but hey yuor still World champs at Aussie Rules
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And we are still the best cricket nation in the world bar none,England don't even get a mention,way down the rankings.
Aussie rules,the game where 36 players are all pretendingthey aren't injured.
Soccer,the game where 22 men are all pretending they ARE injured
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| Quote ="10940"England have never won a championship in which Australia played for 37 years,in the time where only Australia & England were the only teams involved,when the best of 3 were played in England,Australia used to let England win the first at Wembley knowing that if they didn't they would be lucky for more than 5.000 to turn up to Elland Road or Wigan to see the decider.
I would back 5 of the Australian pack to outsprint Burgess in 50metres and I would back all 6 to beatPeacock....CARTHORSES....YES'"
I thought you said before on this thread that there is no such thing as a friendly between Australia & England...but now you're saying they let us win a game JUST to boost attendancies?
I could bang on all day about what sports (and other things) we are better at than Australia, but its like a stupid 'my Dads bigger than your Dad' arguement.
You won, so why rub our faces in it-Is it cos you hate the English? Who knows why, but we don't care. You're just one of many countries. Tell you what, you stick your national anthem on, and gaze lovingly at your national flag and......hold on....whats that on the corner of the flag?.....is that a Union Jack?....who put that Union Jack on corner of your flag?
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I would back 5 of the Australian pack to outsprint Burgess in 50metres and I would back all 6 to beatPeacock....CARTHORSES....YES'"
Would a carthorse put on a step at the line of defence, run through, throw a dummy on the best fullback in the world for a try? Does a carthorse run angles for his 2nd try? All this against the best team in the world, imagine what he will be like against ordinary NRL players and not the national team.
IMO he'd be faster than Civoniceva, Hannant, Hindmarsh, Gallen (good acceleration but no top end speed), White (that guy he smashed in the 1st game) and Thaiday. Watmough and Lewis would probably have him.
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| Quote ="Paul_J"...throw a dummy on the best fullback in the world for a try?'"
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Hayne has one decent season and named player of the season, but Slater has consistently been the NRL top fullback for a few seasons now and quite rightly deserves to start there for Oz, despite his brain fart in the WC final.
Of course Hayne and Stewart are both fantastic too, and to pick the best out of all 3 would be a real challenge.....but for the sake of the argument.....have you ever seen a carhorse break the line from 30+ metres out and dummy Slater (whether he be 1st, 2nd or 3rd best FB in Oz?)....I doubt it.
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From the NRL website......
Now we know why Russell Crowe shelled out all those Hollywood dollars to get England tyro Sam Burgess to South Sydney.
If ever there was a performance to prove Burgess was worth every penny of the estimated $500,000 it took to buy out the backrower's deal with Super League side Bradford, his effort in a losing Four Nations final side was it.
England lost 46-16 at the weekend but it was Burgess - and not just with his two tries - who had the home side on the brink of an amazing upset win when he charged over from short range to give his side a 16-14 lead ten minutes into the second half.
Burgess was creating mayhem all over Saturday night and was arguably the best player on the paddock, not a bad effort for a bloke in a side trounced by 30 points.
"He showed me didn't he," said Australia backrower Nathan Hindmarsh, who dared label Burgess's first-up game against the Kangaroos just over a fortnight ago "quiet."
"I ran at him with the second last hit-up of the game and he picked me up and drove me.
"He's got a bit of skill and a bit of footwork and he's got good toe, it'll be interesting to see how he goes (in the NRL)."
Burgess's most stunning play was his 40-metre run to open the scoring after 11 minutes, a blazing effort featuring speed, strength and a pair of dazzling left foot steps which left both Petero Civoniceva and Billy Slater flat on their backs.
It was enough to convince Civoniceva that Burgess was ready to leave his mark on the NRL, despite being just 20 years of age.
"What a weapon, he's unbelievable," Civoniceva said.
"I think he's going to take the NRL by storm.
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Now we know why Russell Crowe shelled out all those Hollywood dollars to get England tyro Sam Burgess to South Sydney.
If ever there was a performance to prove Burgess was worth every penny of the estimated $500,000 it took to buy out the backrower's deal with Super League side Bradford, his effort in a losing Four Nations final side was it.
England lost 46-16 at the weekend but it was Burgess - and not just with his two tries - who had the home side on the brink of an amazing upset win when he charged over from short range to give his side a 16-14 lead ten minutes into the second half.
Burgess was creating mayhem all over Saturday night and was arguably the best player on the paddock, not a bad effort for a bloke in a side trounced by 30 points.
"He showed me didn't he," said Australia backrower Nathan Hindmarsh, who dared label Burgess's first-up game against the Kangaroos just over a fortnight ago "quiet."
"I ran at him with the second last hit-up of the game and he picked me up and drove me.
"He's got a bit of skill and a bit of footwork and he's got good toe, it'll be interesting to see how he goes (in the NRL)."
Burgess's most stunning play was his 40-metre run to open the scoring after 11 minutes, a blazing effort featuring speed, strength and a pair of dazzling left foot steps which left both Petero Civoniceva and Billy Slater flat on their backs.
It was enough to convince Civoniceva that Burgess was ready to leave his mark on the NRL, despite being just 20 years of age.
"What a weapon, he's unbelievable," Civoniceva said.
"I think he's going to take the NRL by storm.
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Wether we lose it in the first 20 or the last 20 reality is we are still no nearer beating them when it counts. HAving said that we were 100% better than the WC performaces so not all bad I guess!
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