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| Quote ="JonM"Widnes academy beat Harlequin academy this weekend. As the Widnes first team could hardly beat an egg, it suggests these players might not be much better than the ones Skolars already have.'"
R-E-S-E-R-V-E-S.....does that help?
These are the guys who don't make the 17 for S-U-P-E-R-L-E-A-G-U-E- games.....not the under age kids.
Accademy teams are youngsters.....something that Wigan builds by nicking your best prospects, not ours
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| Quote ="Roofs"If you'd been in administration for 7 years would you have been able to afford a strong youth set-up
As it is we are slowly but surely getting there. We can field at least 8 players either 25 or under (Fox, Briscoe, Colborn, Welham, Dobson, Murrell, Cockayne, Mills), and I think our academy + reserve teams are doing steady.
+ we have four times the amount of support, so I think we're doing quite okay.
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is that the same Scotty Murrell who enjoyed his time in London whilst on LOAN FROM LEEDS RHINOS?
Nice try, but no cigar
BTW....his (Murrell's) reaction to being sledged by Littler from Salford was priceless.....nailed him...properly. Always rated the little fella after that 1 moment. Has heart!
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| Quote ="gutterfax"is that the same Scotty Murrell who enjoyed his time in London whilst on LOAN FROM LEEDS RHINOS?
Nice try, but no cigar
BTW....his (Murrell's) reaction to being sledged by Littler from Salford was priceless.....nailed him...properly. Always rated the little fella after that 1 moment. Has heart!'"
Fantastic player Murrell, okay we didn't bring him through ourselves, but Morgan deserves credit for trusting the 20 year old Murrell (at the time) with the crucial stand-off role during our promotion season (and having had faith in him since) when he could have gone for say a veteran Aussie for the role.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"R-E-S-E-R-V-E-S.....does that help?
These are the guys who don't make the 17 for S-U-P-E-R-L-E-A-G-U-E- games.....not the under age kids'"
I know that.
But the 3 Harlequins players I saw turning out for Skolars against Hunslet a couple of weeks back were all definitely from the academy - with the young lad at full back looking like he might be pretty useful when he's finished growing. If you're saying that Harlequins are going to start sending fringe first-teamers instead then I apologise, as that will have a bit more of an impact. Although TBH, it probably means scraping home wins against Workington & Rochdale rather than making the play-offs.
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| Quote ="JonM"I know that.
But the 3 Harlequins players I saw turning out for Skolars against Hunslet a couple of weeks back were all definitely from the academy - with the young lad at full back looking like he might be pretty useful when he's finished growing. If you're saying that Harlequins are going to start sending fringe first-teamers instead then I apologise, as that will have a bit more of an impact. Although TBH, it probably means scraping home wins against Workington & Rochdale rather than making the play-offs.'"
the point is......this is the start of something bigger. If the RFL sanction this "loan" agreement, then expect to see the reservve grade players from Superleague flooding championship sides.
Not saying it's bad/good......it is the thin edge of the wedge, that's all.
As for O'Callaghan (lad you refer to)...he is local (Hammersmith) and a real prospect....and to be honest, the tip of a very large iceberg.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"the point is......this is the start of something bigger. If the RFL sanction this "loan" agreement, then expect to see the reservve grade players from Superleague flooding championship sides.
Not saying it's bad/good......it is the thin edge of the wedge, that's all.
As for O'Callaghan (lad you refer to)...he is local (Hammersmith) and a real prospect....and to be honest, the tip of a very large iceberg.'"
Completely serious point/question now. I can see that Quins do have some promising young players and clearly a good youth set-up. So, if there has been a strong flow of talented young people taking up RL over say the last 10 years, why do you think this hasn't translated into improved crowds?
I.e. surely the more young people playing, the more would go to watch Skolars or Quins? I found that when I decided to play rugby at a young age it went hand-in-hand with becoming a fan and supporting Rovers.
Again, this isn't a dig (for once eh ), just a thought.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"the point is......this is the start of something bigger. If the RFL sanction this "loan" agreement, then expect to see the reservve grade players from Superleague flooding championship sides.
Not saying it's bad/good......it is the thin edge of the wedge, that's all.
As for O'Callaghan (lad you refer to)...he is local (Hammersmith) and a real prospect....and to be honest, the tip of a very large iceberg.'"
So the ' rumour ' is true then
Feeder clubs on the way
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| tbh I thought it sounds like a great deal. Coupled with the announcement of 'themed' days, if you like, the RU guys plugging RL matches, I get the sense that maybe there is a change of direction, or, if you think there was no direction at all, then a commencing of a direction with the marketing people?! (not sure that makes sense but I hope people see what I mean).
In an expansion area (and yes, it will be an expansion area for decades) it makes sense to use scarce resources in a twinned fashion so I think this is a top notch, thinking out of the box type thingy.
personally I found the City angle a lot more interesting and I for one shall look forward to watching that bit closely. Good luck to both clubs, they both deserve the success and this may well be the start of better things...?
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| Quote ="Starbug"So the ' rumour ' is true then
Feeder clubs on the way'"
was it always not inevitable? makes sense to stop duplicating resources, doesn't it?
Wonder what Bramley think about it?
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| Quote ="Ken Edwards"was it always not inevitable? makes sense to stop duplicating resources, doesn't it?
Wonder what Bramley think about it?'"
Depends on how it will work , if these Quins reserves replace some of the Skolars holidaying assuies and kiwi's then fine
If on the other hand Skolars end up with a team of Quins reserves and lots of ' strine ' then it isnt really achieving much
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| Quote ="gutterfax"If the RFL sanction this "loan" agreement......'"
then they will have completely disregarded their own Operational Rules which state that all loan arrangements must be for a minimum of 28 days.
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| Quote ="Derwent":3g57hwl6then they will have completely disregarded their own Operational Rules which state that all loan arrangements must be for a minimum of 28 days.'"
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Bronco"[newsflash mode they have just changed them, that's the story [/newsflash mode'"
Have they ? Where does it say that ?
If they have then surely the ruling applies to all clubs, seeing as all clubs are governed by the OR's...........
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| Quote ="Derwent"Have they ? Where does it say that ?
If they have then surely the ruling applies to all clubs, seeing as all clubs are governed by the OR's...........'"
, Yeah Right
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| Quote ="Starbug"Depends on how it will work , if these Quins reserves replace some of the Skolars holidaying assuies and kiwi's then fine
If on the other hand Skolars end up with a team of Quins reserves and lots of ' strine ' then it isnt really achieving much'"
Would it matter if they still had Aussies and Kiwis? I dont see that as being integral to making this a success or not.
I thought Skolars had cut down a lot on their imports anyway? Or do you mean the Quins loaned players would be Aussies & Kiwis? I read that it would be some local young players who'd be loaned out but I s'pose it could be imports....though cant see why Quins would spend big to bring a good quality player over only to farm them out....
as an aside, I thought the Skolars had made a determined effort to promtoe from within, as it were, rather than looking overseas?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"...and a few other clubs?
Given that Harlequins Rugby League Reserves did quite well last year and sit in 5th in the league with 4 wins on the trot......does [url=http://www.league.quins.co.uk/news/9836.phpTHIS[/url give Skolars an unfair advantage?
I hope so
Win all their remaining fixtures, complete with bonus points....go up to face Widnes and the rest next year and then get a SL licence in 2012
This board would melt under the flatearth posting.......
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I saw your reserves for the first time Saturday and was really impressed.
A few caught the eye especially the big balf forward with the beard. Big old unit and took some stopping.
Still enjoyed our winger leaving Matt Gardner for dead though. Worth going for on it's own that was.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So the ' rumour ' is true then
Feeder clubs on the way'"
We'll have Widnes.
Been going off them a bit on this seasons form though.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So the ' rumour ' is true then
Feeder clubs on the way'"
Worked with Catalans/UTC. Why not reduce the running costs of the Championship clubs AND improve player development at the same time?
Spin it the other way round, all the semi-pro clubs become fully pro, buoyed by an influx of free players.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"As for O'Callaghan (lad you refer to)...he is local (Hammersmith) and a real prospect....and to be honest, the tip of a very large iceberg.'"
I thought LMS was the tip of the iceberg.
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| Quote ="belgianxiii"Worked with Catalans/UTC. Why not reduce the running costs of the Championship clubs AND improve player development at the same time?
Spin it the other way round, all the semi-pro clubs become fully pro, buoyed by an influx of free players.'"
But will the fans of those clubs be happy watching SL reserve matches ?
Not knowing from one week to the next who will be playing for them as it will all be at the whim of the SL clubs coach ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Depends on how it will work , if these Quins reserves replace some of the Skolars holidaying assuies and kiwi's then fine.'"
Quote ="Elite Skolar"SKOLARS FIELD 16 BRITS FOR SECOND WEEK!
Northern Rail Cup 22 February 2009 - London Skolars 14 Doncaster 40
Skolars are fielding a predominately British side including mostly London and South East produced players.'"
HTH.
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| Quote ="Starbug"But will the fans of those clubs be happy watching SL reserve matches ?
Not knowing from one week to the next who will be playing for them as it will all be at the whim of the SL clubs coach ?'"
If they aren't then it won't work for the SL clubs, since the exposure to the crowds is where the value is for them. I reckon we'll see some long-term loans, some rotation loans (say Skolars will request one of 5 players from Quins academy) and then the rest of the Championship squad will be made up of FT players bought by the club. While the C clubs would profit from the deal, the SL clubs would be getting the most out of it so would have to tailor the deal to suite the C clubs.
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For example we've offered academy players to TO, but they are only taking up the option this w/e to cover players on international duty.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So the ' rumour ' is true then
Feeder clubs on the way'" My reaction,too. The next question is, who's next? Flatcapper alert might be needed here.
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