Which is , apart from paying the players more money ?

I'm fairly certain that without Sky money, many SL clubs would have to go semi-pro (i'm assuming here that no other TV company would take up the contract). Like you say though, the game wouldn't die - it would just have to cut it's cloth accordingly.

Exactly rich, point I was making but WITH the money:
Well, I can only really consider my club.
We have actual youth structures in place now, youth development coaches, proper scholarships. I believe the links with the community and schools are much better although it's a few years since I was in school. The marketing of the club is superior and the general business side of the club is top notch imo for any occasion.
Warrington Wolves is genuinely a community club whereas, and I posted this on your board Starbug, older clubs like Leigh (same as Warrington seemed to me in the 90's), it's somewhere for the old boys to go on a sunday afternoon. Most of my mates who are now lifelong wire fans got involved through some marketing initiative and they will remain for years to come. If we had no money, like years ago we wouldn't be able to fund this and we'd still be playing in front of 3500 crowds. I remember going to the Cronulla, Penrith and Auckland games where 5000 was considered a great crowd! No wonder Sky lost a fortune, now we, and most clubs would fill the grounds. This is how far SL has grown imo.
You could consider it paying more money but the quality of personel we attract to the club is much higher as we can compete with the NRL for their players. These players bring fans through the gates

evry thing you've just printed there can be said about the the top 4 clubs in champ1.explain why theres no room in SL for these clubs

Because there isn't the money or players to go around...yet. And if another area can add specifically more then they get it. if Leigh want in they have to prove they're the best candidate at the lower level
It isn't that hard to grasp kiddo

Right, I'm genuinely curious as to where you've got this notion that all Leigh supporters are codgers? I hope that you will be pleasantly surprised when you come to the game on Sunday and see how many young kids in Leigh still support their club....not as many as we'd like, but it's far higher than when I went to primary school in the mid 90's and you could count the number of Leigh supporters on one hand.

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Sustainable paying crowds. That'll put a club in SL.
A Championship club pulling in 6,000+ REGULARLY would almost certainly elevate them "upstairs". I know i've stated the obvious but there you go.

Leigh appear to be improving, let's hope you continue moving in that direction. Last year was a setback both on the field and the crowd average considering you're playing out of a great new stadium but there is still a place for Leigh in the grand scheme of things. Personally and i've been shot down before, you need to crack Bolton/areas to the north of Leigh. If you did you'd have your place.
The majority of your fans have got to get off that bitter high horse though, no really.



WOW..
You really ought to win an award.
It wouldn't even need to be anywhere near 6000, but why doesn't every other bugger realise this?

when you believe the game can grow stronger from the inside and then work outwards to other areas.then yes i do have a problem it.

Well you have a nice low salary cap, turn a profit, a shiny new stadium, some locals in your team, go ahead and grow.
Having had donkeys years to achieve it, I'm not expecting much.

we do have a low salary,no sky money you see.
turn a profit,unlikely,does any club make a profit worth having a tug over.
new stadium, very good point.
local players yes more than you'll ever have history tells you that.
yes as a club we are growing again even without the level of financial backing clubs warrington have had for donkeys years and still ucked it up.

It's certainly something that has been called for in recent years, and our community department actually do a certain amount of coaching in schools in Bolton, so hopefully it will pay off. That said, our plan to move to the Reebok if we'd have got promoted in to Super League in 2001 while Hilton Park was redeveloped was frowned upon hugely at the time, yet would get us a franchise point these days

Warrington will have a 13 with as many local players as Leeds or Saints within 5 years, I guarantee you.
You're growing but you're a bazillion miles off the Warrington standard as of yet. Don't forget we were only one of three clubs to get an A grade, definately not a F up.
I heard that Leigh turned a profit last year.

i hope your right on your youth policy.
when i think how far behind warrington we are i think of HKR and were they were a couple of years ago plus if your youth policy does'nt produce 6/7 quality kids year after year you've no chance of having consistant success.my feeling is the warrington area cant produce them kids.

ahh but the Leeds 'area' doesn't produce a lot of theirs.
We, like leeds in the recent past, have started taking kids from other areas and putting them through our academy.
Hull kr was a nice sucess story but are still way off the pace, lose a lot of money, haven't great facilities and produce next to no juniors as of yet. In a three year license system i'd like to see them reduce their debts and plan for the future without piling a shed load into the first team. Also see Huddersfield.
We don't have that sort of debt, now finally have decent youth structures and will bear that fruit I think within 5 years...if we don't, no biggie, we'll just do what everyone else does and buy some in for the meantime but we wont need to.
if I were you I'd go and have a chat to the Castleford board as that is a model you want to follow. Juniors, no real superstars, low budget (to an extent) and moderately successful on the field.

If thats what you heard its time you started listening to people who know what they are talking about , similarily with the ' community ' angle , leigh have a 4 strong full time community dept , we go into all the schools in the Leigh , atherton ,tyldesley area , many in hindley and golborne , also we have been going into schools in bolton for several years , how do i know this ?

I funded it

You are totally clueless my friend

You've told me before.
However it hasn't been remotely successful has it.
Warrington have been successful.
See the difference here?
This is why when you talk about reliance on Sky money I say this is why we need it which is what I said earlier.
RL would survive without Sky money, but to blame clubs for spending it as and where they need is silly.

simple question dico what have warrington won since 1971?.my feeling is weve won as much if not more than warrington and thats not counting second divisions leagues and cups

mate rugby league does survive without sky money its super league that cant survive without it

We've had our issues don't get me wrong.
But look at where the two clubs' next 30 years lie and...well...
Never been out of the top flight and sure as hell don't look like we're going anywhere soon.

As Richie from faxy said earlier, of course SL would survive. It would strip costs accordingly and Warrington, Wigan, Saints and Widnes would still all be bigger than Leigh. As my post above said, why on earth wouldn't you spend the money on getting people through the gates if it's there.

And there you have the difference between Championship and SL RL , put wire in the championship with all their community work and it wouldn't pay off for them either , the Championship clubs have to work harder than their SL neighbours , they have to offer more and better deals than their SL neighbours to get fans in , All that costs money , and the worst thing is that the RFL do have that money , they do offer it to the Championship clubs , but not to spend on marketing to local ' walk through the gate ' fans

Instead they have to spend it on wages for F/T CEO's and marketing personel with a remit to get a Sugar daddy

Just for the record , most if not all of Warringtons Community is not financed by SKY money or even Warringtons income , it is financed via community Grants , so you are basically wrong , again

As I have just told you , warringtons community is not financed through SL,SKY or the club itself , the vast majority is via grants

If they weren't in SL would they receive these grants? You seem to know more than me..I personally don't think the stadium would have got through the government objection if we weren't in the top flight.

Re your first sentence I never said you didn't. But that is exactly why we spend all that money.
You're on here claiming SL clubs are so reliant on the money but why wouldn't we spend whats given to us? The SL clubs would not go bust if Sky pulled the plug at the end of the TV deal

erm yes it is.
The TV money pays matt kings wages, matt king sells shirts and gets people interested through the gates and so on.
I mentioned community work earlier as one point, by getting people through the gates I meant everything that results in the end product of paying spectators coming to games

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Model you want to follow ,