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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"If Bateman's return has been agreed, I think IFL's letter will soon be in the post. I don't expect to get one though as I never received the first one!'"
There was never a written letter (that I'm aware of) it was all done via email
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| Looks like i was right again. Even the Premier League are now back tracking. Where's Jukesays, the great genius with his bloated know nothing posts?
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"Looks like i was right again. Even the Premier League are now back tracking. Where's Jukesays, the great genius with his bloated know nothing posts?'"
Go on,.I'll bite
Right about what?
That Wigan shouldnt play against the Roosters because well lose so we may as well just give up?
We should pump silicone or titanium into players to make them bigger? (You've definitely been watching too much Fox news, maybe that's where Trump got his injecting Bleach idea from?)
That I dont have a sat nav because I'm from the middle ages
That supporting a LGBTQ event is making Wigan "Political" and were only doing it to follow "Social Trends" that BTW you've still not expanded on and explained which social trend you mean, because you denied it was LGBTQ later in the thread, so I have not idea what Social Trend Wigan are following that has got you so upset that tour not willing to out your money into the club, money i suspect you dont put in anyway.
That covid 19 will go away and in a month will have been forgotten about.
That there isnt a covid 19 problem in Florida, despite at the time Mattyb providing evidence that cases had risen from 200 a day to 700 a day. Yet a month or so later they are at over 9000 a day!!!
I'll stop at that, go on tell me, what were you right about? What are the PL backtracking about?
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| The PL have stated that supporting BLM is not an endorsement of a political movement. He probably means that.
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| The PL had to say that as they fined pep for taking a political stance
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"The PL have stated that supporting BLM is not an endorsement of a political movement. He probably means that.'"
So they do still think that "Black Lives Matter"?
Thought so
Anyway, I'm still not sure how the poster can refer to this particular "social trend" to justify not "putting my money into the club"?
When the club hasnt as far as I am aware made any statements regarding this particular issue.
I know I'm trying to put logic where it may not be possible.
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| Well they're keeping it on shirts
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Go on,.I'll bite
Right about what?
That Wigan shouldnt play against the Roosters because well lose so we may as well just give up?
We should pump silicone or titanium into players to make them bigger? (You've definitely been watching too much Fox news, maybe that's where Trump got his injecting Bleach idea from?)
That I dont have a sat nav because I'm from the middle ages
That supporting a LGBTQ event is making Wigan "Political" and were only doing it to follow "Social Trends" that BTW you've still not expanded on and explained which social trend you mean, because you denied it was LGBTQ later in the thread, so I have not idea what Social Trend Wigan are following that has got you so upset that tour not willing to out your money into the club, money i suspect you dont put in anyway.
That covid 19 will go away and in a month will have been forgotten about.
That there isnt a covid 19 problem in Florida, despite at the time Mattyb providing evidence that cases had risen from 200 a day to 700 a day. Yet a month or so later they are at over 9000 a day!!!
I'll stop at that, go on tell me, what were you right about? What are the PL backtracking about?'"
Acting naive and trying to change the subject in the face of being proven wrong is the oldest trick in the book.
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"Acting naive and trying to change the subject in the face of being proven wrong is the oldest trick in the book.'"
Touche' (Although in my case I can honestly sit here and say I didn't know what you were talking about when you said PL back tracking, but if it is over them stating they don't support the Group calling themselves Black Lives Matter, they are still supporting the Message Black Lives Matter?).
So is that what you meant with your out the blue - dragging it up from the past post?
Because if it is, it's one of the most loosely based tangible arguments I've ever heard!!!!
So for clarity, you'd be ok for Wigan RLFC to follow the PL's stance & Wear shirts with "Black Lives Matter" on?
You planned that Holiday to Florida yet???
PS - I've had 2 messages from other posters this morning direct - Both hadn't got a clue what you were on about either !!!
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Touche' (Although in my case I can honestly sit here and say I didn't know what you were talking about when you said PL back tracking, but if it is over them stating they don't support the Group calling themselves Black Lives Matter, they are still supporting the Message Black Lives Matter?).
So is that what you meant with your out the blue - dragging it up from the past post?
Because if it is, it's one of the most loosely based tangible arguments I've ever heard!!!!
So for clarity, you'd be ok for Wigan RLFC to follow the PL's stance & Wear shirts with "Black Lives Matter" on?
You planned that Holiday to Florida yet???
PS - I've had 2 messages from other posters this morning direct - Both hadn't got a clue what you were on about either !!!'"
Well you know now. What have ypu got to say 'great genius'? The group you and others threw your weight behind and attacked me for cautioning the club over supporting have now been shown to be marxists, anti-semitic, want to abolish the police, threatened to burn their country to the ground literally. Even the BBC have come out and banned reporters from wearing BLM badges, Labour leader has even tried to distance himself somewhat. Dont you think the Wigan club should come out and distance themselves from such a group or are you too ashamed to admit i was correct and you were wrong as usual?
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| People calling themselves Black Lives Matter and thinking that black lives matter are two totally different things.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"People calling themselves Black Lives Matter and thinking that black lives matter are two totally different things.'"
Who came up with the slogan Black Lives Matter and made it mainstream? Thats right, the group Black Lives Matter. The slogan and the group are one and the same, they go hand in hand with each other. Why do you think that many of the sports teams and brands are now having to come out and try to distance themselves from the group?
If a sports team or major brand posted 'Britain First' on their social media page the day after Brexit they would be immediately condemned because of the slogans links to the group Britain First and you know it.
BLM must be laughing their heads off at the amount of major brands that they got to promote them.
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| Quote ="hatty"There was never a written letter (that I'm aware of) it was all done via email'"
Thanks Hatty. None of us have had an email either!
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| Me neither but I did read it on the clubs website as that’s where I heard it was, got an email asking to Join the lotto as I registered on the clubs website
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"Well you know now. What have ypu got to say 'great genius'? The group you and others threw your weight behind and attacked me for cautioning the club over supporting have now been shown to be marxists, anti-semitic, want to abolish the police, threatened to burn their country to the ground literally. Even the BBC have come out and banned reporters from wearing BLM badges, Labour leader has even tried to distance himself somewhat. Dont you think the Wigan club should come out and distance themselves from such a group or are you too ashamed to admit i was correct and you were wrong as usual?'"
You are absolutely clueless!!!!
Ignore 20 other points where your wrong, and focus on a point where you know what, your wrong!
I did not throw my Weight behind the BLM UK group, in FACT I defended the club for promoting the LBGTQ movement
As far as I am aware the club haven't made ANY comments about BLM???
You and you alone said " I will not give my money to a club that inserts itself into non RL related social issues"
The only issue Wigan have made any kind of statement about is LBGTQ
So are you
1/not giving money to Wigan because you don't agree with them supporting LBGTQ?
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2/ Are you not giving any money to Wigan because of BLM UK - Which just to clarify they haven't yet said or done anything to support
If it's 1 then ok, but it's ridiculous
If it's 2 then ok, whatever, your not giving money to our club because of something they haven't done or said???
Let's get this straight
I'm all in favour of the club supporting the LGBTQ message - if a group of people who are from that world attach themselves to that group or form another group that uses the same message to then promote other issues such as Murder is ok, Drink Driving is ok or anything else that is abhorrent then I will not support that group, But I will support the LGBTQ Message
If the Club on restart wear the BLM message I will support them, If they donate 100k to BLM UK I won't support that, but I will still support the message.
Now I appreciate there is a whole different more nuanced conversation to be had which you seem to be incapable of having- And over on the Sin Bin there are very many different arguments & Debates being had (Which I notice your not part of).
But the original statement was :- "Im sorry but over recent times i have seen the club take a direction i do not like. I will not give my money to a club that inserts itself into non RL related social issues and i know a lot of people that feel the same way and are disgusted. I support Wigan to watch them play rugby league not to have the latest social trends forced down my throat."
So what "Social Trend" have the club shoved down your throat? and was any of that anything to do with the BLM "Message"?
As I originally said, your argument IMO is more about having a pop at IFL etc. for any reason, even when they haven't done what your suggesting.
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| Quote ="Pieman"Me neither but I did read it on the clubs website as that’s where I heard it was, got an email asking to Join the lotto as I registered on the clubs website'"
EMAIL letter was sent to season ticket holders on 15th June ....mine is timed at 18:00 and is exactly the same as the post made on the club site
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| Quote ="pie.warrior"EMAIL letter was sent to season ticket holders on 15th June ....mine is timed at 18:00 and is exactly the same as the post made on the club site'"
Only got mine at 18:01, gonna make a complaint about that. Why did you find out before me.
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| Quote ="pie.warrior"EMAIL letter was sent to season ticket holders on 15th June ....mine is timed at 18:00 and is exactly the same as the post made on the club site'"
Didn't get mine but got the Bateman notification.
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"Who came up with the slogan Black Lives Matter and made it mainstream? Thats right, the group Black Lives Matter. The slogan and the group are one and the same, they go hand in hand with each other. Why do you think that many of the sports teams and brands are now having to come out and try to distance themselves from the group?
If a sports team or major brand posted 'Britain First' on their social media page the day after Brexit they would be immediately condemned because of the slogans links to the group Britain First and you know it.
BLM must be laughing their heads off at the amount of major brands that they got to promote them.'"
The FA are a classic example of jumping on the bandwagon with clubs ordered to have the BLM slogan on the back of shirts when eight months ago, clubs were told that they had not to put poppies on shirts as it was political.
Sheer hypocrisy on the part of the FA.
ALL LIVES MATTER IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOUR, RACE OR RELIGION.
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"The FA are a classic example of jumping on the bandwagon with clubs ordered to have the BLM slogan on the back of shirts when eight months ago, clubs were told that they had not to put poppies on shirts as it was political.
Sheer hypocrisy on the part of the FA.
ALL LIVES MATTER IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOUR, RACE OR RELIGION.'"
I am not certain it was the fa who stopped poppys being worn, i thought it was fifa? Now there is a racist organisation
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| It was FIFA. PL clubs have always worn poppies and some players are able to choose not to as per their right.
International sides are not allowed to wear one.
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| We’re players able to but wear BLM on their shirts like poppies? Not that wouldn’t want to, weird eh that pep. Got fined by the FA for wearing a yellow ribbon in support of a Catalonian independence as it was political
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| Quote ="Pieman"We’re players able to but wear BLM on their shirts like poppies? Not that wouldn’t want to, weird eh that pep. Got fined by the FA for wearing a yellow ribbon in support of a Catalonian independence as it was political'"
Black lives matter isn't political though. It has nothing to do with BLMUK.
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| Quote ="JonnyBroad"I am not certain it was the fa who stopped poppys being worn, i thought it was fifa? Now there is a racist organisation'"
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