Yes.

Not selecting worse players on the basis better quality players haven't produced the goods is the problem.

Well why can NZ produce players like Johnson and Marshall, they have less people playing than we do?

We invest in our young players, we invest in our coaches, we invest in our facilities, we do that even if it is at the expense of another small northern club spending on another hundred grand on another queensland cup player, or another 35 year old has been. We force clubs to make the best of what we have and not let them rely on other clubs or other countries or other leagues doing the hard work.

Smiling and Swapping shirts with them.....I'd swap shirts with one of them and throw it on the floor and spit on it.

We don't know if different players would be any better or worse than the ones out there though.

What's that saying - if you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got.

Great idea!

How many millions do you want to pump into it?

about 5-6m more per year.

wish Bateman had hit Cronk so hard it bent his nose the opposite way, pig sick of engine player in awe of aussies and letting dicks like corn think the billy ten men.

I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

What 'different' players?

Your argument is ridiculous. If we stopped selecting players that haven't beaten Australia or produced the goods, the quality of the team selected would rapidly decline as poorer quality players came in and copped even bigger beatings.

On the whole we just about select the best players we can, based on their performances over time in super league. If we select worse players on the basis the other ones have failed our chances go from 1 to 0.

yep.

we are a punch of pussies, genuinely think players like Karl Harrison, fairbanks, Paul Dixon, kevin ward must themselves. we looked scared and in total awe of the aussies, sick of it

No, I mean you personally. Where else is the money coming from?

Aside from bringing in Pinhead, I'd like to know what Betts brings to the national side.

Williams should have been picked to start, with Clarke on the bench.
Brown, although a good player, is getting towards the end of his career and Williams is going to improve.
This was a good opportunity to give him the shirt and let him show what he could do.

We look really one dimensional with Hodgson at 9, Clark would have given us some different plays.

Having said that, I though our pack would match theirs and we clearly didn't.

Oh sorry, I forgot it was my personal financial responsibility to improve the game. Of course it should come from a fan of the game and definitely not from the money the game earns itself and those who own it and that's definitely not something only a moron would suggest.

You've missed my point.

You're proclaiming the game should invest millions extra each year and it doesn't have a penny to scratch it's ar$e with.

we don't need to invest we simply need to stop so many overseas players in our game, so many young players are lost to the game because they are thrown on the scrap heap at 18-19 years old, christ some leeds fans already are writing of Lilley Sutcliffe, Golding after a year or two in open age and want to sign an aussie journey man.
all super league clubs across the board need to commit to developing players we already have, and set a proper quota and stick to it and not flex the rules. we also desperately need to enforce the A teams on all super league clubs. christ Salford have already scrapped there academy it will only get worse unless we make some hard changes.
we need to get some like Dave Brailsford from British cycling on board or look at what german football did to turn there team into world champs.

So essentially you want England to be a closed shop?

How can we improve both on the international stage and the domestic one if we don't give more opportunities for other players to play international rugby league? At least the England Knights partially addressed this, but where did that go?

I'm glad you're not representing my country then.

That's complete nonsense. The game as a whole has a turnover of around £120m per year.

We were just saying the same thing. Cameron Smith showed Hodgson how to play No 9 at international level. It was too late to experiment with Brown we thought Williams should have played most of that game. Sam Burgess didn't lift the team as captain, Widdop OK in parts but still can't control a game for any satisfactory level of time.
Until we create a world class 1, 6, 7 and 9 its always going to be groundhog day.

Whats an A team going to do on its own? We have a league of players not good enough for SL, its called the championship and it produces very few elite players.

Dave Brailsford has been able to do what he has done because Team Sky and GB Cycling have invested in everything to give their athletes the best chance to fulfil their potential.

not been impressed with Hodgson at all, everyone been raving about him in Aus, can really ee why hull fans ed that Houghton not given a go.

the experiment of picking every Nrl player available to us as not worked and we are just as far away, cooper is nothing burgess twins poor i'd rather see players like oliver Holmes, Minikin even and raging JJb players that will give everything they've got and show some n venom, than these athletic soft s. (i am really ed off)

Disappointed with the result, but enjoyed the game. England had some chances early on, but the Aussies did their normal thing and ground us down. Would rather have seen the match played in a full stadium with less capacity, rather than somewhere that was always likely to have lots of empty seats. Hope the Kiwis can give the Aussies a good test in the final.

Would you still be taking selfies with Cronk and Inglis??!