Not bad off the top of my head really is it, and it would take Toulouse how long to produce a list half of that ??? Thanks



Also regarding putting crookes in, re read the question you asked me

They will need to produce them, which was kind of my earlier point. There are some players at Les Catalans who could move across, there are some in the French league who can make the step up, the rest Toulouse would need to produce, but they wont be able to do that outside of SL.

And i would say you are wrong, Les Catalans have found probably more than 17 decent french players.

I could explain why your attempts to wriggle is wrong,but I cant be bothered, the fact you needed to use the panthers proves the point.

I would also say it will likely take Toulouse a hell of a lot less than 86 years to produce a list of that level of player.

Not wriggling whatsoever, in the future could you please form the question you wish to ask correctly. Thanks

In the meantime you can keep yourself happy with your nice little dream of a SL that consists of ten teams with each team being from a different county with a maximum of 3 teams per country

In the context of your original statement it was phrased absolutely correctly, but you needed to pad out your list so you did. Its not important As you are someone who clearly wants to be quite strict on grammar and the structure of sentences I would like to ask…..

In the meantime of what? The meantime defines the intervening period between two events. Which two events are you talking about? This can be very confusing because you haven’t actually introduced two events to the argument.

Can they get 8k+ crowds, can they pay full salary cap and still be financially sustainable, can they put a competitive team out without weakening les cats? If they can achieve those three things I'd love to see Toulouse in SL.

I think people are forgetting that if Bradford drop out of SL, there will be a full team of SL level players looking for a new club. If they drop out, the team that replaces them will be mostly Bradford players anyway. The only defining factors left would be stadia, financial standing and crowds which can only point to Halifax. Expanding RL is not what should be top of the list at this juncture. After all that has happened financial stability should.

I still think the safest option will be to keep Bradford with a clean slate and more stringent financial audits.

Toulouse is about 100miles from Perpignan, there would be next to no impact. They would be in competition for players, but im not sure that’s a bad thing.
Toulouse is a big city with a market of 1.2m to go at, and apparently, or so I have been told, they have good links with local businesses and sponsorship wouldn’t be one of their problems.

As for could the immediately get 8k, and spend the SC straight away, who could possibly know until they did it.

obviously Toulouse in 2015 will be a french/english/antipodean mix - french players are coming through, don't write them off just yet

Toulouse in SL next season to replace the Bulls is unrealistic so Fax will step up but i'm sure Bulls will still be in SL so the idea of TO or Fax in SL is irrevevant anyway

If the Bulls are still in SL next year then that's it for me. I will no longer support RL until the numpties at Red Hall are out.

Can you see the irony in your post and your username ?

Yes I can. It wasn't lost on me but that is how I feel about all of this (just been a bit melodramatic). TBH I probably will still support my team but won't be attending any RL events anymore. All of this has left a bitter taste and as the dark-side's chairman pointed out, 'We need a root and Branch restructure of the RFL' This whole situation has brought the game into disrepute since March and no doubt the Bulls will probably still be in SL next year along with most of the players they have now as if nothing had happened. Any team who allows this to happen to them and allows RL's name to be dragged through the mud like it has, needs to be punished (and not just a measly 6 point deduction). The RFL need to grow a set and stamp their authority on the game!!

yeah, it's always the fault of the RFL !

as a neutral RL fan ...why punish the faithful Bulls fans ?

I for one hope the Bulls survive in SL with new investors - they are still the best bet by far to play in SL as no other club is worthy of the position at this time - I hope they manage the play-offs and give their long suffering fans something to cheer about, good luck Bulls

just be thankful it's not HKR who are in the merde...

Stamp their authority on the game and kick out one of the top supported clubs in the league which struggles for support as a whole, and bring in another team that has no proven track record of running a club in SL?

I understand that people are unhappy, but anyone who thinks that Bradford will just go back to how they were after this is kidding themselves. Bradford will be a very much trimmed club come next season whether they stay in SL or not.

Valid points, however, long suffering?

In the great scheme of things it’s only two minutes since they were winning G.F’s & C.C’s.

They’re just going off like their long suffering, they don’t know the meaning of the word

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I do feel sorry for the Bulls fans but this doesn't take away what the Bulls club has done. If it was HKR in trouble the RFL would have let them go down the toilet long ago. The only reason they are doing this for the Bulls is because for some reason they see them as a big club. They once were a big club like a lot of clubs but over the last 5 or 6 years they have been on a par with the likes of HKR , Wakey and Cas. They weren't getting decent crowds either over the past few seasons until their ill fated season ticket giveaway.

SL wouldn't lose out if Bradford wasn't in it. The game would move on and quite easily survive.

still deserved to be saved though IMO just as they deserved their success cos they were the best at the time - no one can take that away from them

true enough but the fans would lose out and that would be a travesty for them - I would feel the same if it was the HKR fans who were affected

SL would survive without them but a club with such a big following has to survive as it will in whichever league they finally end up in

I agree that they should survive but not in SL. Their punishment along with any other club that goes through the same problems should be expulsion from SL for at least 2 full SL franchise rounds so they can prove that they are sustainable again. This would send out a message to all clubs about spending over their means. This is where the RFL need to grow a set and stamp their authority on the game.

what you say is true but with repect, for me I would prefer to see a club either the equal or better than the resurrected Bulls take their place in SL - going for a lesser club ie a club with less potential, investment and fan base will be taking the game backwards IMO at a time when RL should be growing

I can see what the RFL are faced with - they are between a rock and a hard place and in a no-win situation as the 'Bulls for SL brigade' are as vociferous as the 'anti Bulls SL' group

The question of the Bulls participation in SL should have nothing to do with their size or perceived imprtance to the competition.
If their wrongdoing merits a relegation to a lower division then they should be relagated whether it is Bradford, Huddersfield Cas or Salford.
This is what is wrong with SL.
There shouldn't be a group of clubs who are above the game itself and the game should be brave enough to have some principals, rather than trying to contrive
some kind of elite competition.
Let the clubs play for success and ok, if there needs to be some rules to guide us then at least be brave enough to stick to them.

The question of the bulls participation in SL should rest solely on their importance to the competition and their ability to exist there. The game isnt strong enough to hinder itself by having its biggest and best playing at the lower levels. It would be akin to team GB picking some middling athletes for the olympics and leaving our best and brightest to compete in regional competitions.

SL is the showcase of the sport, it is the point at which the sport stems, it provides the money, the visibility and for the most part, they players for the sport. The championships, internationals, the amateur game are all damaged when SL is damaged. Losing Bradford damages the our marquee product. It means SL is worth less, it means fewer people will pay to see it, it will mean we have less money in the game.

To make the game the very best it can be, SL needs to be the very best it can be, it needs to have the biggest reach it can, it needs to be played by the very best players it can. As a game, we cannot afford to make our marquee product weaker to pander to some rose-tinted romanticism of some imaginary halcyon days where small pit villages and towns played in front of packed crowds as each parish put out its best forrads. The game has changed, the world has changed, losing P+R was/is a very very small price to pay.

The World has changed again - the idea of clubs walking away from debts and barely missing a step will struggle for traction in this age of austerity.
London and Crusaders (? on the latter), might have looked a promising precedent, but RL could only try HMRC's patience so many times. 'Should' is debatable. Bradford's participation in SL [idoes[/i IMO rest solely on a buyer coming forward who can reach agreement with the creditors. And that seems pretty reasonable to me.

Sorry Smokey

IMO its more akin to allowing someone who has broken the rules to compete just because thye hold a record or something, maybe like allowing someone who oversteps the mark in long jump to register a score or who someone who falsestrats to still compete. It may make for a better race, but its not right.

What you appear to be advocating, is that the big clubs should be allowed to do as they please, because they are bigger than the game itself.
Anarchy

I know exactly where you're coming from. I have been a RL supporter since my father took me as a small child but now I am just a Fax supporter. I used to go to Wembley every year, all the GB/England games and if Fax didn't have a game I would see where the nearest game was that looked tasty. Since the advent of licensing followed by continually sliding goalposts and dodgy deals done behind closed doors RL, other than that which involves Fax, is of no interest anymore.

The RFL should be very wary as, up to the start of this season, it was only Championship/1 fans who were pro p&r/anti-licensing but there now seems to be a mounting wave of dissent among SL fans.