I cant see Bailey or Ablett figuring for the England Squad, while they are decent players, there are better players for their positions.

Add that to the way Bailey can behave sometimes the risk isnt worth it either.

the risk of riling the opposition isn't worth it?

I think the Aussies are more likely to laugh at him to be honest.

Are we talking about Bailey or the majority of the England team?

Manly players certainly didn't laugh at Bailey at WCC

Manly aint particularly good this year. As for Bailey, I'd have him in the squad, but wouldn't make my 17.

If I was picking Leeds' 17 and everyone was fit, I don't think Bailey would be in there! He's not an international prop in a million years.

I dont think he would be that effective in riling up the Aussies or NZ, I think he would annoy them slightly to the point they would just put a bit more venom in their tackles on him.

They just arent daft enough to get wound up by someone they know they can outplay, thats how they would get their own back on him if you get my meaning, by seeing him on a losing side.

Wind up merchants and dirty players with not Test standard games have been selected for England before, they have had no impact whatsoever.
Does anyone really believe a player like Bailey will worry or intimidate anyone at Test level?
Good players are intimidated by an opposing players ability to beat them at their impact on a game, nothing more or else.
If anyone thinks Bailey is going to intimidate the likes of Gallen and Hargreaves they are dreaming, its all been done and seen in the NRL for decades and does not work against Test level Pros.

Yeah I'm sure players like Gallen, Leroy-Lahrs, Scott, Shillington, Matulino and JWH are going to be intimidated by Bailey



We have a really good pack, not on par with Australias but that's not expected imo and for Bailey to be considered to play for England when we have players like Mossop, Graham, Burgess, Lynch, LMS, Patrick, Crabtree, Mason and even Morley and Peacock still. For Bailey to be even considered is laughable really.

I know Leeds fans like him because he winds the opposition fans up due to him been a thug. But I honestly don't know what he offers Leeds Rhinos on the field.

He offers a lot, Bailey is a good, hard working prop, with good defence and good ball retention. He does the simple things very very well. He controls the tackle better than any other player in the Leeds side, he does a lot of the less tangible things well.

The fact is, some fans dont like Bailey, and neither do some players. He does the role of A lightning rod for the Leeds pack extremely well. He isn’t a dirty player, I have seen dirty players. Barrie Mac is thought of as some lovable rogue yet did things far far worse than what Bailey has ever done. Lee Radford is apparently feared by the nightclub doorman of Hull and looked upon in wonder by the Hull folk. He is much dirtier player than Bailey.

Luke O’donnell is the most banned player in the history of the NRL, comes storming into a fracas started by Kev Brown, gets put down and all of sudden this is all Baileys fault.

Bailey is an angel compared to the likes of Skerret, McDermott, Sironen, O’conner, Morley, Tallis.

As for the Aussies not being affected by a bit of biff. When was our last victory against the Aussies and what was the defining image of that game? A true cheap shot merchant, an actual dirty player in Willie Mason swinging at Fielden and Peacock putting him in his place. Sean Long being caught high and late by Mason with another cheap shot, being hit that bit harder by every GB player and proceeding to spend the rest of the game hiding in the centres and dropping the ball when in space with the line at his mercy.

Gallen is a grub, he is a dirtier player than Bailey (ask Anthony Laffranchi or Josh Graham) and can be affected by players getting under his skin (ask Mickey Paea)

Leeds fan in woefully inaccurate defence of Bailey shocker.

Leeds fans, along with Brian Noble, Brian Mclennan, Tony Smith, Darryl Powell, Steve Macnamara, Brian Mcdermott. Thats 4 grand final winning coaches and 4 international coaches, who see Baileys value. Unfortunately he hasnt beaten up enough doormen in Hull to be respected by some.

I'm no fan of Lee Radford. That doesn't make Bailey any better than average, however.

I stopped reading after you commented on Baileys 'good defence'. Doesn't count when you're third man in every tackle.

I think its a given that Baileys 'style of play' shall we say isnt in the England Squad plans, hopefully.

On another note, who would ppl recommend for England from Widnes, Salford, Castleford and Wakey? Given that these are generally the teams ppl would drop if the league went to ten teams, what would you say they offer in terms of England potentia;?

I also forgot London.

Is it a bad sign that when I think Super League, they dont jump to the front of my mind.

Either that or Im getting too old to be left alone on tiniternet!

Can't believe Houghton isn't getting the credit he deserves. Played 80mins pretty much every game for the whole season and to a very good standard.

Oh, and Bailey isn't dirty?

tomkins

charnley/riley/briscoe
atkins needs to be in the squad his form has been outstanding
reed/watkins/bridge
hall

widdop
sinfield

peacock
roby
graham
burgess
westwood
ellis

int

morley
hock
mossop
burrow/robinson

Peacock and Morley?
Have you watched either of them this season?

Peacock and morley for the influence they have

It's not because the poster is a Wire fan

What is Bailey's 'style of play' exactly?

Wait for the opponent to be 'held' and come in third man with the option of a cheap shot!