90 % of the preparation to enter SL is to become full time with regards playing and coaching staff , can you explain how this would not impact unfairly upon the other clubs in the Championship and adversly affect the competitiveness we currently have ?

Please don't Smokey

Because you dont need to go entirely full time.

The aim isnt to be an SL club in the championships but to build towards SL.

To give clubs two or three years to scout youngsters, to give them experience, to give them a full time coaching enviroment, to give an opportunity to a few diamonds in the rough. Maybe give shot to a few lads like Rory Kettlewell.

A squad of 6 or 7 youngsters with the potential to be SL players in the next few years, 5 or 6 diamonds in the rough who in a full time environment may be able to jump to SL and 5 or 6 players like Kettlewell with the rest of the squad filled with part time players would neither dominate the league nor be relegated.

Its likely that not all 18 players mentioned there will be good enough to make the jump, but if 50% are we have basically hit the jackpot.

and also 90% of the preparation shouldnt be on the field, if it is then the club hasnt prepared properly. by selling the sponsorship/corporates/advertising over 2/3 years rather than strying to do it in 6 months done correctly you will sell more of the ssame thing at a higher price.

It also gives you 2/3 years to build interest in SL, you have basically 2/3 years to sell your season tickets for that first year.

i thought you had gone

Yes you do , history tells us that to be competitive in your 1 st season in SL you stand a better chance if you are already full time in the lower tier , also operating half and half doesn't work in the Championships [ Widnes,Leigh and others have tried it , it doesn't work

Scout youngsters ? , from where exactly ? SL clubs ? , other Championship clubs ? , will these clubs release these players ? or are you suggesting clubs own juniors ?

So you are suggesting 18 full time players ? , fairly close to a full time squad would you not say , these 18 players are going to cost more than the Championship salary cap if you want to put some experience with them

Have you ever tried selling sponsorship/corporate outside SL , then answer is usually the same " Ring us when you are in " , this was the answer to Leigh when we approached Emirates airlines in 2003 , in 2005 they sponsored us , in 2006 they declined , so you can do all the contacting you want anyway , clubs are doing that all the time already , but the answer will always be ' when you are in , we will decide then

Sell your season tickets

, are you suggesting people will pay two years early for them ? , no you are not , but neither do you need two years to explain to somebody that you are going up to SL , a most idiotic statement for you to make

You are grasping at straws again

If you are suggesting that a club will employ people to do basically nothing for two years until they are needed just to ' prepare '

I think I'm going to cry

So begins ANOTHER Smokey v Starbug 'who can be the most wrong' thread...

copying a joke off Wellsy13



its a good job you are going home, you cant even troll on your own anymore.

I know.

I thought it was time someone else repeated it seeing as the message didn't seem to be sinking in

Widnes and Leigh had different aims to what we would have in this context.

from the same places everyone else scouts juniors, and hopefully some good an innovative places aswell.
maybe so. But not by a huge amount.

Then you can say, well we are in, we start in a year on this date, or in two years on this date.
no, im suggesting it takes a lot more than simply taking orders to actually sell things. Im saying that two years of building interest for an SL club, advertising an SL club etc..... for two years will sell more tickets than doing it in 6months.

maybe this type of thinking and sheer inability to prepare or even know how to prepare for the future is the reason so many clubs in the lower leagues are struggling.

yet people keep telling you to go away, and it still doesnt sink in. I feel for you.

Dry your eyes champ

I'm going tomorrow!!







Well... hopefully... it's touch and go right now with these planes & the poms failing to keep Heathrows runways snow free

Explain ?




And the difference is what ? we would have more money to offer them ? we could afford a transfer fee ? , it would be just the same as having dual reg players , you would only get the players that suited the SL clubs to give you , not the best prospects




So a yes then


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Explain why a club looking to get promoted through winning the league has a different aim to a club which is already promoted but is spending a bit of time preparing for promotion? I would have thought that self-evident.
Why would a club scouting its own youngsters care what the SL clubs wanted to give them? they wouldnt give them anything, they would find them themselves. Im not sure how much more i can simplify that for you. Why you are obsessed with what SL clubs are doing in this context nobody knows.


Maybe so would indeed indicate a positive response. An agreement with a premise almost. Well done on noticing that. A Gold Star for you.

Then you employed incredibly poor sales people. If they cant do better in 2 years than 6 months, they are idiots. Employed by an idiot.

it would of course cost more money to do something, than not to bother. If it was underfunded by incompetent people, and done by incompetent people, then yes the uplift would be negligible, Im starting to see a pattern here. And maybe what went wrong at Leigh

and many of them are very poorly run.
yes yes, it all just comes to you, What was i saying about incompetence again???



Catalans also prepared by employing lots of good young players, and giving them experience. They also now have fewer overseas players than Hull kingston Australia and have more on field success. They have also achieved more stadium improvements and in pretty much every other way.

Good example for proving my point, thanks Starbug.

Cant you 2 just pm each other or something?

Why dont you just off back to australia ?

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The argument was about splitting between part time and full time , but as you cannot answer that you pretend a different argument was taking place

Again

So I'll tell you again idiot , having half a squad full time and half part time doesn't work , you ok with that now

yes we were, i explained it would 'work' because there would be a different outcome wanted for our hypothetical club (an aim if you will)to Widnes and Leigh when they were in SL, you asked me to explain these differences, i did. Wheres your beef homes?

So you are suggesting that a club would ' scout ' its own players from where ? , scholarship to SL in 3 years , you have no answer again , which tells me once again you havent a clue how these things operate

the same place everybody scouts their own players from. And no i dont expect them to have a squad full of these players in three years. That is something you have invented.

Go yourself you ignorant prick , you were wrong but you havent the balls to admit it

18 quality juniors plus enough experience would cost double the Championship salary cap

stop shouting brands at me coca-cola face...........

and what would be the problem if it did cost double the Salary Cap. If it didnt cause the league to be uncompetitive, what would be the problem.

Then you employed incredibly poor sales people. If they cant do better in 2 years than 6 months, they are idiots. Employed by an idiot.
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So sponsors only commit hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of pounds, and Companies only buy hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of hospitality a few weeks before the season starts? Before a few weeks prior to the start of the season nobody wants to know?

Yeah, one thing big multi-national companies are known for is how little budgeting and planning they do. They definitely definitely dont want to plan their corporate hospitality, or sponsorship, they want to sort it all out a few weeks before the season starts in November/December

If there is one thing that bugs me it is when someone puts a statement on a forum,then end with "discuss".
What the hell do they think we are going to do,bake a cake?

Give me an example , come on how many big multi nationals do lets say Quins,HKR,Saints , even Leeds deal with in deals worth hundreds of thousands , nah , MILLION pound deals ?

Away you go sunshine tell us which clubs sell corporate hospitality for hundreds of thousands of pounds ?