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| Quote ="Dreamer"Yes I agree they were different.
The old structure was simply a season long cycle of events that allowed each team to play each other such that a fair winner by means of results could be established. The winning team in each division was rewarded by promotion to a higher but tougher division where potential income was greater but so were the costs. So unless you are saying that this structure did not allow mid season movement between divisions then I'm not sure how it can be called protectionist.'"
Because it protects teams who perform poorly in their club administration, youth development, stadium upkeep, supporter recruitment etc. Teams who neglect all those important things and concentrate on on the on-field work are protected from being moved down the divisions. J
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| Quote ="Richie"Because it protects teams who perform poorly in their club administration, youth development, stadium upkeep, supporter recruitment etc. Teams who neglect all those important things and concentrate on on the on-field work are protected from being moved down the divisions. J'"
If this hypothetical club is so bad in so many areas, I imagine it would be just as bad on the field.
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| Quote ="Richie"Because it protects teams who perform poorly in their club administration, youth development, stadium upkeep, supporter recruitment etc. Teams who neglect all those important things and concentrate on on the on-field work are protected from being moved down the divisions. J'"
It's an interesting point that you make and I agree that all those aspect are vital. It's a shame that many clubs in SL have not been able to improve these vital areas you suggest, even though they have been protected for three years to allow them to do just that. I'm not saying this as a tongue in cheek dig, I mean it, in fact it's a bloody crying shame for rugby league, not just those clubs.
The big difference is that the traditional system did not set out to be protectionist and any that occurs is by accident and tenuous at best.
Franchising deliberately set out to be protectionist. At the moment it isn't quite working, but I accept that may take time.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Which clubs have ' yo yo'd ' and gone bust ?'"
That depends on whether you take a literal interpretation of what I said. Perhaps it would have been more precise of me to say "hovering around the borders between divisions with the financial uncertainty that that brings and making poor financial decisions to gain promotion".
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| Quote ="Dreamer"Franchising deliberately set out to be protectionist. '"
Yes it is. In the same way the salary cap is protectionist.
But it's an attempt to protecting clubs against themselves and to try and eliminate boom and bust nature that some clubs were willing to risk
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| Quote ="Dreamer"That depends on whether you take a literal interpretation of what I said. Perhaps it would have been more precise of me to say "hovering around the borders between divisions with the financial uncertainty that that brings and making poor financial decisions to gain promotion".'"
So thats a ' none ' then
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"Yes it is. In the same way the salary cap is protectionist.
But it's an attempt to protecting clubs against themselves and to try and eliminate boom and bust nature that some clubs were willing to risk'"
The salary cap is the same for all clubs so it protects ' all '
location criteria protects some only
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"But it's an attempt to protecting clubs against themselves and to try and eliminate boom and bust nature that some clubs were willing to risk'"
I don't disagree, but then that was not the original point of the debate. That started several pages back when Adeybull wrote:
Quote "Protectionism never works in industry and commerce. It sure as hell doesn't work in sport."'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"So thats a ' none ' then
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Hmmmm..... lets see.....
hovering around the borders between divisions ..... financial uncertainty ......making poor financial decisions to gain promotion. Must be at least half of the clubs in RL
I seem to remember that Dewsbury actually turned promotion down because they did not think they were financially prepared which ironically then resulted in Kelly leaving and ultimate relegation to NR2, but I am only speaking from memory. Did Hunslet also once turn down promotion?
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| Quote ="Dreamer"Hmmmm..... lets see.....
hovering around the borders between divisions ..... financial uncertainty ......making poor financial decisions to gain promotion. Must be at least half of the clubs in RL
I seem to remember that Dewsbury actually turned promotion down because they did not think they were financially prepared which ironically then resulted in Kelly leaving and ultimate relegation to NR2, but I am only speaking from memory. Did Hunslet also once turn down promotion?'"
Dewsbury and Hunslet were both turned down by the RFL I think.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Which clubs have ' yo yo'd ' and gone bust ?'"
There were Workington and Oldham for two.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"There were Workington and Oldham for two.'"
So when were they promoted back up then ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"The salary cap is the same for all clubs so it protects ' all ' '" it doesnt protect those who could comfortably spend much more nor does it protect those who cant spend it
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