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| Quote ="JonM"I'll be taking the evidence presented in court by HM Customs & the insolvency service a bit more seriously than anything you have to say...'"
can you make up another good excuse like the one above for why CC are in the poop? i like creative thinkers.
to me, if a RL club goes into administration after missing out on getting promoted into SL, id say they were poorly managed
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| Quote ="dally messenger"since then wakey have failed to deliver on their promises.
widnes would be a stronger SL club than them
if wakey had the new ground i might not support their inclusion next time
of course a few years down the track the club have now shown they are financially stable.
that couldnt be shown last time could it'"
What have Wakey got to do with it?! You've stillnot answered my question, just admit you know little of the facts of what happened and move on!
The administration was a long term blessing in disguise for Widnes in my opinion. The old flatcappers were shipped out, and a new, forward thinking owner came on board, who wouldn't have previously. In 5 years time I think we'll be a much stronger club than we would have been if we'd got promoted in 2007 anyway. |
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| Quote ="AJ Viking"
The administration was a long term blessing in disguise for Widnes in my opinion. '"
so lets get more heartland clubs into administration then!
spend more than you have on getting into SL, if it fails, sweep under carpet, find new owner and start again.
the administration almost killed your club. you were lucky there was someone around to save your club otherwise you could have nothing |
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so lets get more heartland clubs into administration then!
spend more than you have on getting into SL, if it fails, sweep under carpet, find new owner and start again.
the administration almost killed your club. you were lucky there was someone around to save your club otherwise you could have nothing'"
There were three separate bids for the club. It is very unlikely that we will never have an RL club in the town.
Administration would not be a good idea for any club without the bedrock of historical support of the game in its area.
As you say though, we were lucky to get a backer like Steve O’Connor. It is better than we could ever have wished for. He has not paid off debts with directors loans. All the money he has put in he has considered as a gift. So we had no debts at the time of our licence application and have no debts now. |
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so lets get more heartland clubs into administration then!
spend more than you have on getting into SL, if it fails, sweep under carpet, find new owner and start again.
the administration almost killed your club. you were lucky there was someone around to save your club otherwise you could have nothing'"
Seriously, I know it's difficult but think before you post.
Backers like SOC are very rare and he wouldn't have been found if the club didn't go into admin, hence the blessing in disguise. We'd still have the same owners, directors etc. who were obviously not business men. |
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you should be a revisionist historian'"
Don't be silly Dally it doesn't matter how many times Rugby League fails in Widnes. You clearly understand nothing.  |
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Don't be silly Dally it doesn't matter how many times Rugby League fails in Widnes. You clearly understand nothing.
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Widnes Rugby League Club established in 1895, still here, never been away.
Rugby League in Widnes = failed 0 times. |
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| Quote ="Redchemic"Widnes Rugby League Club established in 1895, still here, never been away.
Rugby League in Widnes = failed 0 times.'"
except when it went bust not long back and before its brand was bought by another company and used to form a new club
except for that time |
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So have Widnes failed to put out a side (no matter how uncompetitive) in any season (barring the war years maybe) since 1895?
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| Quote ="Wadski"wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/5265575a6ac67e78a93cd2b901f973bd/compdetails
Who is this then?'"
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| Quote ="Redchemic"Widnes Rugby League Club established in 1895, still here, never been away.
Rugby League in Widnes = failed 0 times.'"
You mean apart from the day after the 2007 grand final?
Whatever sins those in charge of Crusaders may have committed (and they seem to be many) they've not closed the club down, making all players and other staff redundant, the day after the season ended because they weren't successful enough.
If Widnes RLFC est 1895 is the current club, then that failure (six months before the licence applications) is a key part of their history. If you want to claim that Steve O'Connor's Widnes is separate from that failure, then you've got a club with a history that only goes back to early 2008. You can't have it both ways. |
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If Widnes RLFC est 1895 is the current club, then that failure (six months before the licence applications) is a key part of their history. If you want to claim that Steve O'Connor's Widnes is separate from that failure, then you've got a club with a history that only goes back to early 2008. You can't have it both ways.'"
I now have strong suspicisions that Richard Lewis is amongst us. We know all of the above, don't worry this is the general feeling at Widnes. |
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| Quote ="AJ Viking"I now have strong suspicisions that Richard Lewis is amongst us. We know all of the above, don't worry this is the general feeling at Widnes.'"
I wasn't having a go at the general population of Widnes, or even Widnes fans. Just responding specifically to Redchemic.
fwiw, I'm heartened by and applaud the way the club has bounced back from October 2007. More strength to your elbow. |
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| Quote ="tb"I wasn't having a go at the general population of Widnes, or even Widnes fans. Just responding specifically to Redchemic.
fwiw, I'm heartened by and applaud the way the club has bounced back from October 2007. More strength to your elbow.'"
In response to the above, (and Smokey, Wadski et al) I know and fully understand that there have been new businesses formed to administer and run the club but for all intents and purposes it is the same Rugby League club.
The sport has not failed but the business has. However, I and many others fully believe that there will always be a Rugby Club in Widnes whatever happens to the club [iadministration[/i (suspect word to use in this instance)!!! |
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| Quote ="Redchemic"In response to the above, (and Smokey, Wadski et al) I know and fully understand that there have been new businesses formed to administer and run the club but for all intents and purposes it is the same Rugby League club.
The sport has not failed but the business has. However, I and many others fully believe that there will always be a Rugby Club in Widnes whatever happens to the club [iadministration[/i (suspect word to use in this instance)!!!
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Simple question , how many times in it's 100 odd year history has Widnes gone into administration ? |
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| You'd remember so why don't you tell us?
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Twice that I know of Starbug.
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| Quote ="Dico"Actually, while you're at it, what was Warrington like when Cromwell was there?'"
Same as now - full of burnt out Cavaliers 
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So twice in over a hundred years , fairly regular then
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| Quote ="Redchemic"Twice that I know of Starbug.'"
We've only been in administration once.
We did move from being a members club to being a PLC with a board of directors and owners, instead of a committee voted in by club members. This is similar to what happened with the South Sydney Rabbitohs when Russell Crow took over.
The old set-up was no longer workable, but it was saved by the change. No administrator was involved in the process. |
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| Quote ="Pepe"icon_confused.gif:
We've only been in administration once.
We did move from being a members club to being a PLC with a board of directors and owners, instead of a committee voted in by club members. This is similar to what happened with the South Sydney Rabbitohs when Russell Crow took over.
The old set-up was no longer workable, but it was saved by the change. No administrator was involved in the process.'"
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Quote ="Starbug"So twice in over a hundred years , fairly regular then
How many times have you moved from where you started in those 100 odd years ? ie several miles ?'"
Once every 50 years or so. It's good to clear the decks every half century .
As to the other question of moving grounds, read this from the official site/ history section;
The early years
'The club was formed in 1873, under the name of Farnworth & Appleton. The name Widnes was adopted in 1876. The club adopted the nickname "Chemics" in 1888, after previously being known as the "Chemicals". The club played at a number of grounds before moving to the present site at Lowerhouse Lane in 1895.
In 1895, Widnes were founder members of the Northern Union which broke away from the rugby union to create the sport of rugby league. The first game was an away fixture at Canal Street, Runcorn which was lost 15-4.
During the early years, the club often struggled financially and often had to sell players to balance the books. The strength of junior rugby league in the area meant the club had a steady stream of local talent to offset the losses.'
Source - www.widnesvikings.co.uk/history.html
As you'll gather there were problems in the early days too but there has always been a collective will to see the game continue here.
I seem to recall reading that in the earliest days the ground was in the town centre just behind the main street (Albert Road) close to where the Wetherspoon Pub is now. Another site mentioned was up on Peelhouse Lane which is practically a stones throw from Wetherspoons but these were as a Rugby Union club.
The original Rugby club was formed by some members of the Widnes Cricket Club just around the corner from my gaff in Farnworth. Unsure if any Rugby was played on the oval in the cricket off season though.
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Quote ="Starbug"So twice in over a hundred years , fairly regular then
How many times have you moved from where you started in those 100 odd years ? ie several miles ?'"
Once every 50 years or so. It's good to clear the decks every half century .
As to the other question of moving grounds, read this from the official site/ history section;
The early years
'The club was formed in 1873, under the name of Farnworth & Appleton. The name Widnes was adopted in 1876. The club adopted the nickname "Chemics" in 1888, after previously being known as the "Chemicals". The club played at a number of grounds before moving to the present site at Lowerhouse Lane in 1895.
In 1895, Widnes were founder members of the Northern Union which broke away from the rugby union to create the sport of rugby league. The first game was an away fixture at Canal Street, Runcorn which was lost 15-4.
During the early years, the club often struggled financially and often had to sell players to balance the books. The strength of junior rugby league in the area meant the club had a steady stream of local talent to offset the losses.'
Source - www.widnesvikings.co.uk/history.html
As you'll gather there were problems in the early days too but there has always been a collective will to see the game continue here.
I seem to recall reading that in the earliest days the ground was in the town centre just behind the main street (Albert Road) close to where the Wetherspoon Pub is now. Another site mentioned was up on Peelhouse Lane which is practically a stones throw from Wetherspoons but these were as a Rugby Union club.
The original Rugby club was formed by some members of the Widnes Cricket Club just around the corner from my gaff in Farnworth. Unsure if any Rugby was played on the oval in the cricket off season though.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Disgraceful
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| Quote ="Pepe"icon_confused.gif:
We've only been in administration once.
We did move from being a members club to being a PLC with a board of directors and owners, instead of a committee voted in by club members. This is similar to what happened with the South Sydney Rabbitohs when Russell Crow took over.
The old set-up was no longer workable, but it was saved by the change. No administrator was involved in the process.'"
How bad am I  .
I bow gratefully to your superior knowledge Pepe - we are twice as good as I thought at this business Mallarkey ! |
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