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| Quote ="belgianxiii"1 - You can have an exploratory meeting without deciding the outcome.
2 - I could see the RFL going two up two down with one Championship club what ticks all the boxes and the other being TO - even if they don't tick the boxes, but I'm not convinced. Personally I wouldn't want TO in the SL if they can't get their act together to perform at the Championship level. Looking at the French side vs Nz we saw that the players are there in France and TO could chose to sign an all-French side that could compete with the best. But they don't want to try that because it's a risk. How much more of a Risk will they have to go to to compete in SL?
3 - Barrow is an excellent idea, RL heartland, big money backer, expansion area.'"
Les cats didnt have to prove themselves in NL1 and have managed SL very well thank you very much. toulose is too important an expansion to leave to the whims of 2 seasons of RL.
wasting a SL spot on a place like barrow and ignoring toulose would be suicidal for the game. really.
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| When we went from the LER we had already established a side of all the best French players. TO have failed to do this, at a level where they have a higher salary cap and now have better players available. We dominated the LER, they are struggling in the Championship.
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| Yep what a booming succses they was only thing good about this venture was going around the red light district in a drucken staite.
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| Quote ="Merthyr Saint"www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/rugby_league/2716918/New-team-is-a-capital-plan.html
Would they replace Crusaders, Salford or Wakefield???'"
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| Quote ="tb"Dave 'Nosy' Parker and The [iSun[/i in behind the times shock.'"
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| Laporte was main guest on two different sports programs on French TV channels this week. Didn't mention RL on either.
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Would they replace Crusaders, Salford or Wakefield???'"
From that article I can't see them not being in super league this time or the next time around. They are not going into this half hearted but they are prepared to pump money in and the connection with the union team can only help as games could be marketed to them as well. Sounds great for RL IMO.
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| If Paris are allowed in SL ahead of Toulouse then it will be a travesty. Toulouse have spent years working up to a SL bid, youth teams in place ground improvements sponsors in board, a slow steady progression to a successful SL bid. Do we never learn from our dire mistakes. I'm not against a Paris team but they must start in the Championship.
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| Quote ="spooneryork":2mkhy0tuicon_sad.gif If Paris are allowed in SL ahead of Toulouse then it will be a travesty. Toulouse have spent years working up to a SL bid, youth teams in place ground improvements sponsors in board, a slow steady progression to a successful SL bid. Do we never learn from our dire mistakes. I'm not against a Paris team :2mkhy0tubut they must start in the Championship.'" :2mkhy0tu , which equates to basically half of their required income over that period
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| If Paris did come into SL then went under within a couple of years then the RFL would be left without any credibility and the game would be left in a state of peril.
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| Quote ="spooneryork"icon_surprised.gif If Paris did come into SL then went under within a couple of years then the RFL would be left without any credibility and the game would be left in a state of peril.'"
Which is why I have suggested a 10 million pound commitment to playing in and being competitive in SL for 6 years , I'm sure that would ' focus the mind ' so to speak
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| Quote ="Starbug"Which is why I have suggested a 10 million pound commitment to playing in and being competitive in SL for 6 years , I'm sure that would ' focus the mind ' so to speak
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or just be an arbitrary barrier only designed to stop clubs like Paris ever entering the league, as any club the RFL approached with this 'rule' would simply laugh at the game, and probably not want to be involved with a sport that would behave in such an idiotic way
though we are all quite aware that you know this, and you only suggest this rule because it would stop any new club entering the league and that is really what you want so you can carry on feeling special
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA":c28uqkqdor just be an:c28uqkqd arbitrary barrier :c28uqkqdonly designed to stop clubs like Paris ever entering the league, as any club the RFL approached with this 'rule' would simply laugh at the game, and probably not want to be involved with a sport that would behave in such an idiotic way
though we are all quite aware that you know this, and you only suggest this rule because it would stop any new club entering the league and that is really what you want so you can carry on feeling special'" , does not have even an Elite team already there , is a massive potential positive for the sport but also a massive potential negative if it was to fail after 2/3 years , really do feel it neccesary to see a large committment from a Paris club
Other lesser profile potential new clubs would not need to display the same amount of commitment if they already had some interest locally , we are after all discussing a team in a city as big as London , history does not paint a pretty picture
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| Quote ="Starbug"Sorry but given that we are discussing a place that has no history of supporting the sport [ except a very poorly attended season back in 95/6 , does not have even an Elite team already there , is a massive potential positive for the sport but also a massive potential negative if it was to fail after 2/3 years , really do feel it neccesary to see a large committment from a Paris club
Other lesser profile potential new clubs would not need to display the same amount of commitment if they already had some interest locally , we are after all discussing a team in a city as big as London , history does not paint a pretty picture'"
the potential negative for any club is exactly the same, its failure, that is all that can happen, that is the biggest negative that we could see,
whether that happens to Paris or Widnes or Leigh or Barrow, that is all that can happen, the potential upside doesnt affect the potential downside
all clubs should display the same commitment, clubs outside SL arent outside SL because they have been successful, they are outside because they werent,
the recent history of Leigh, Widnes and the rest is hardly a pretty picture either,
lets face it, you dont want Paris in there so you are setting arbitrary criteria you know no club would ever meet as criteria for their entrance, in an attempt to make it look like you havent dismissed them out of hand
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"the potential negative for any club is exactly the same, its failure, that is all that can happen, that is the biggest negative that we could see,
whether that happens to Paris or Widnes or Leigh or Barrow, that is all that can happen, the potential upside doesnt affect the potential downside
all clubs should display the same commitment, clubs outside SL arent outside SL because they have been successful, they are outside because they werent,
the recent history of Leigh, Widnes and the rest is hardly a pretty picture either,
lets face it, you dont want Paris in there so you are setting arbitrary criteria you know no club would ever meet as criteria for their entrance, in an attempt to make it look like you havent dismissed them out of hand'"
I couldn't care less if Paris enter SL or not , it is unlikely that I would be visiting them unless it was in the Challenge Cup , however there is NO club currently there , which suggests little if any interest in the sport , and as we have seen in the past , the size of the city means nothing as to the probable success of the venture , If you think it a worthwhile enough gamble then fine , I dont , you are starting to sound like Dally M
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| Quote ="Starbug"I couldn't care less if Paris enter SL or not , it is unlikely that I would be visiting them unless it was in the Challenge Cup , however there is NO club currently there , which suggests little if any interest in the sport , and as we have seen in the past , the size of the city means nothing as to the probable success of the venture , If you think it a worthwhile enough gamble then fine , I dont , you are starting to sound like Dally M'"
yet picking a number out of your and saying if you put this magical number in a bank account it is no longer a gamble will affect the chances of success
why pretend your argument is anything other than the same flatcap idiocy that the rest give?
yes, not having a team in the elite does show a lack of interest, putting £10m in a bank account doesnt suddenly mean there is interest, in fact that £10m helps no one do anything, it just sits in a bank account earning money for a bank, if we are going down that route why bother playing at all, sell everything, put it in a bank account and we can all watch it earn tiny little bits of interest
i havent said whether i would be in favour of a Paris team or not at all, i have given no opinion on it other than to say if the skill, backing and commitment and ambition are there, then fantastic, lets go for it, if not lets not, and that goes for all clubs
im simply arguing that the random and ill thought out criteria you are heaping on them is both random and ill thought out
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA":1vsv6r8u:1vsv6r8uyet picking a number out of your booty :1vsv6r8uand saying if you put this magical number in a bank account it is no longer a gamble will affect the chances of success
why pretend your argument is anything other than the same flatcap idiocy that the rest give?
yes, not having a team in the elite does show a lack of interest, :1vsv6r8uputting £10m in a bank account doesnt suddenly mean there is interest,:1vsv6r8u in fact that £10m helps no one do anything, :1vsv6r8uit just sits in a bank account earning money for a bank:1vsv6r8u, if we are going down that route why bother playing at all, sell everything, put it in a bank account and we can all watch it earn tiny little bits of interest
i havent said whether i would be in favour of a Paris team or not at all, i have given no opinion on it other than to say if the skill, backing and commitment and ambition are there, then fantastic, lets go for it, if not lets not, and that goes for all clubs
im simply arguing that the random and ill thought out criteria you are heaping on them is both random and ill thought out'" over a 6 year period for them to finance that successful venture
Or are you suggesting clubs are put directly into SL without adequate financial backing and just at the whim of a Rugby union owner trying to find somebody to buy pies and beer at his stadium during the summer ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"A paris club would need something in the area of 3 million to operate per season , the amount does have some relevance'"
in that it is one million pound more than you think they will need if their income was to be £0 over an entire 3 year franchise, that if somehow they didnt sell one ticket, one shirt, get one sponsor and even managed to lose £1m a season from Sky before it even got to them?
indeed, very erm, relevant
Quote Stumping up that amount of money would be a statement of commitment to the success of the venture '" surely guaranteeing its participation for 6 years would do exactly the same,
Quote I am suggesting this money is drip fed back to the club [ with accrued interest over a 6 year period for them to finance that successful venture'" ignoring the obvious practical problems of outgoings not always being regular, of there often been unforeseen outgoings that would need to be paid quickly and that often, nay always, in business, at least some of your outgoings are paid by your income.
Where the hell are you expecting them to get £10m from that they can afford to leave in the bank earning pennies in interest, which is about the least efficient way of investing money bar hiding it in the mattress known to man
Quote Or are you suggesting clubs are put directly into SL without adequate financial backing and just at the whim of a Rugby union owner trying to find somebody to buy pies and beer at his stadium during the summer ?
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no, they arent the only two alternatives are they numbnuts? we dont only have a choice between putting £10m in a bank account up front or inadequate financial backing, there is a fair bit in between i think you will find
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"in that it is one million pound more than you think they will need if their income was to be £0 over an entire 3 year franchise, that if somehow they didnt sell one ticket, one shirt, get one sponsor and even managed to lose £1m a season from Sky before it even got to them?
indeed, very erm, relevant
surely guaranteeing its participation for 6 years would do exactly the same,
ignoring the obvious practical problems of outgoings not always being regular, of there often been unforeseen outgoings that would need to be paid quickly and that often, nay always, in business, at least some of your outgoings are paid by your income.
Where the hell are you expecting them to get £10m from that they can afford to leave in the bank earning pennies in interest, which is about the least efficient way of investing money bar hiding it in the mattress known to man
no, they arent the only two alternatives are they numbnuts? we dont only have a choice between putting £10m in a bank account up front or inadequate financial backing, there is a fair bit in between i think you will find'"
2 million will pay a competitive playing and coaching staff , the other 1 million for administration , marketing , advertising , junior development and community initiatives , so they guarantee 1.8 million per season paid up front and they still need to find 1.2 million per season to operate , in other reports they or the RFL were suggesting they would not need/recieve any ' central/SKY ' funding
' Guaranteeing ' ? , what with , false promises and lies ? , you are ok to have that ?
The balancing out of imcome/outgoings is usually done by the use of an ' overdraft ' , ask your bank manager if you dont know what they are ?
£ 10 Million ? , well from the bank , or from all the money they make from the RU club , some on here have been ' orgasmic ' in their praise of the owners business acumen , and putting money in the bank to earn ' pennies ' in interest is not the least efficient way of investing money , putting it into sports clubs is the least efficient way of investing money known to man
Stump up the money , or do it the way as requested by the RFL via the Elite,Championships/SL
Oh and why you seem the need to resort again to name calling , ok with that Di*khe*d
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I dont know why you two bicker on every week trying to convince each other when in reality you've no chance and you go round in circles faster than tyres on a motorway
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| Quote ="Dico"They need a team in the LER next year imo. If they dont then they can go bye bye, it at least gives them SOME form of structure and allows them to start building youth teams, Celtic style.
I dont know why you two bicker on every week trying to convince each other when in reality you've no chance and you go round in circles faster than tyres on a motorway'"
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| I know you're a 'mature' fellow Starbug but these days we a) download things off the internet b) watch things online ala Iplayer, 4od..whats your favourite show? i guarantee you'll find plenty online, legitamate too.
Now, lets not poke a stick at TA any longer, run along
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| Quote ="Dico"I know you're a 'mature' fellow Starbug but these days we a) download things off the internet b) watch things online ala Iplayer, 4od..whats your favourite show? i guarantee you'll find plenty online, legitamate too.
Now, lets not poke a stick at TA any longer, run along'"
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