So you are complaing because a club produces a decent player and then loses them because another club is willing to pay them more money

Boo bloody hoo , and you keep going on about non SL clubs should be spending more money to produce potential SL players

Leeds have outibid ' smaller ' clubs for decades , now you will know how it feels to find some good young talent that you have produced taken from you for no recompense

no, once again you have confused yourself
i have no problem with losing a player to a club willing to pay more

my issue is with arbitrarily stopping clubs offering what they are both willing and able

TOUGH



Get over it those are the rules , if you dont like them F*** off to RU

Oh yes you did , and you didn't get what you wanted there either did you

awww, you having another 'senior moment'

You,re the ' grumpy owd git here pal

As I said TOUGH live with it

im very happy, just no idea what you're on about with union

rules change fortunately

No it doesn't. It would without a salary cap but the cap fixes this problem. It allows clubs to have more players of better quality without having increased salary costs.

or sign an inferior player on less money

the only way the sc would work like you think is if all players were paid the same

So where does the player go in his quest for more money Smokey?

another sl club or union generally

Going to another SL club

just what we want.
going to union.....not seeing a lot of that

no, it really isnt, that simply spreads what talent we do have, thinner, with everyone getting more and more average which will be terrible for the game

what we want is more clubs producing more quality, THAT is what will bring us a truly competitive sport, the idea the sc will is nonsense

theres a few players going, and when you are producing as few as we are its a problem

Or he gives up or isn't even motivated to work hard enough in the first place because earning a pittance as a young player isn't very attractive.... and the pro-SC muppets wonder why we have so little talent coming through....

Why so? 14 teams of equal player ability, any team can win on any day, sounds fantastic to me.
The talent can't be spread thinner - we'd have to reduce the amount of talent for that to happen.


We certainly do need more clubs producing more quality. Not sure why you think the salary cap hinders that though


Are there? Who?

Any player in sport just for the money isn't in the right business.

anybody thinking a guy shouldn't get as much out of his best years as he can isn't thinking straight! These guys sacrifice a lot, a huge amount, just to entertain us.

So how would consolidating all the best talent at few clubs (or if you had your way, Leeds) make the league as a whole better?

Taken in isolation the SC may not in itself drive clubs to develop young British players, but in combination with the ongoing staged reductions in quota players there will be an increase over the next few years.

I wouldn't look to consolodate all the talent at one club, or even three or four, I would look to have more talent at more clubs, the only way to do that is to force clubs to bring through more talent, make their success or failure dependant on it, this sc simply hasn't done that, we have seen more and more clubs sign more and more overseas players

And the quotas are a restraint of trade they will always be challanged and always fail to stand up in court,

The sc has done completely the opposite of what you are stating, why will it now change?

Well you clearly said that talent being spread across more clubs is bad for the league as a whole, the implication being that talent consolidated in a few clubs is good for the league as a whole.

As I said the SC in isolation may not encourage clubs to develop young players but there is now the reduced quota rules which although have been challenged and relented upon I think that when the players currently in the systems to whom dispensation applies leave, promotions to replace will come from within more often than not.

Also, we are not even 1 year into the franchising experiment which allows clubs to plan further ahead and introduce players who may have been deemed too much of a risk in the past with the threat of relegation.

Basically I think that we will not know for another year or two what effect the radical changes introduced will have. If at that time there is no evidence of more British youngsters playing in SL then I guess the changes will be deemed to have failed, but they need to be allowed some time before we start to criticise overmuch.

As if any professional sportsperson isn't interested in getting paid well! Absurd and frankly irrelevant comments like that are part of the reason many SC opponents refer to it as the "Communist Cap".

I think that the levelling down analogy with communism is a good one and certainly the SC produces the same kind of stagnation that the failed economies of eastern europe etc witnessed.

However calling the cap "communist" misses the crucial point that the SC exists to benefit club owners (with their dismally short termist focus) and the obsessive fans of some clubs who either believe the Sky TV led hype that our game gets better and better every year, level playing field etc etc etc or (and I think this describes most of them, unfortunately) cynically believe that its good for their club, despite the obvious damage to the game overall.

You appear to be a sensible pro-SC poster. There aren't many of you, unfortunately. My only hope for the long-term future of RL is that people like you start to speak up, eventually, when the failure of the SC can no longer be denied. Its pretty obvious that there are lots of fanatic die-hards who will never be convinced that the game is going backwards.

Simple solution , drop the number of teams in SL to 8 , they all have more money to spend and the competition will improve

Sorted

Bill: the SC has been around a decade and has the complete opposite effect, if the quota brings down overseas players the quota has done, nothing to do with the SC,

And thinking all the talent been spread thinly throughout the league is a ha thing, doesn't imply having it consolidated is a good thing. Simply better!

It is healtheir to have four or five of real quality an two or three poor at the bottom, than what we have now, or even 14 mediocre clubs which it seems is the aim of some people

So because Leeds have lost a few to teams they expect to murder the quality is dropping , not most clubs are getting better

So can we try to buy our way back to the top please