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| Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"That rich coming from someone deluded enough to think Hull can rise from 11th to 4th!'"
So you honestly think Hull would of still finished 11th without the injuries!
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"So you honestly think Hull would of still finished 11th without the injuries!
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NEWSFlash - All teams get injuries. The trick is to employ a coaching team that adapts and copes, not uses it as a season-long excuse.
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| Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"NEWSFlash - All teams get injuries. The trick is to employ a coaching team that adapts and copes, not uses it as a season-long excuse.'"
Name me the last team to have the first choice halves play only 20 minutes together all season!
No excuse but a damn good reason as to why we came 11th.
Watch how we go next year. If this is wrong put some money on us being bottom 3.....bet you dont!
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| Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"NEWSFlash - All teams get injuries. The trick is to employ a coaching team that adapts and copes, not uses it as a season-long excuse.'"
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"take away the SC deductions and they finished top 4 in 2007,'"
Take away the other 8 teams in the league and they've been in the top four every year, forever. Take away those four teams and they've never been in the top four. Take away points earned whilst cheating the cap and at least one of those teams would have been relegated. I'm not sure why you'd want to do any of those things though, just as I'm not sure why you'd want to alter the league in 2007 to reflect an inaccurate representation of events.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"and three of those four have finished top 4 in every season of SL,
only 5 clubs have contested a grandfinal, and only four have contested more than 1, and those 4 have contested every single GF bar 2006, when the other club, Hull made their one and only GF
its a pretty damning indictment of how competitive SL is'"
All true, yet, equally, all irrelevant to anything I've written on this thread.
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8. Hull FC
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11. Castleford
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"Take away the other 8 teams in the league and they've been in the top four every year, forever. Take away those four teams and they've never been in the top four. Take away points earned whilst cheating the cap and at least one of those teams would have been relegated. I'm not sure why you'd want to do any of those things though, just as I'm not sure why you'd want to alter the league in 2007 to reflect an inaccurate representation of events.'"
the SC deductions were from offences committed in 2006, not 2007,
on a matter of quality the big 4 were the top 4 in 2007,
if anything removing 4 points from wigan altered the league to give an inaccurate representation of events, you tried to make a point that the top4 wasnt 'nailed' on because it hadnt happened for 5 years, when that wasnt true, it happened 1 year ago but points deductions artificially altered the league
Quote All true, yet, equally, all irrelevant to anything I've written on this thread.'"
Leaguefan made a point that part of SLs problem is that it isnt competitive and there is little deviation at the top end. These results are evidence of that
to pretend the big 4 dont dominate the league, when at least 3 have finished top 4 in ever year of SL is just wrong
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| Quote ="Fully"1. St Helens
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6. Bradford
7. Hull KR
8. Wigan
9. Castleford
10. Wakefield
11. Huddersfield
12. Harlequins
13. Salford
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"
to pretend the big 4 dont dominate the league, when at least 3 have finished top 4 in ever year of SL is just wrong'"
Sadly, it seems that the big 4 has shrunk to be the big two for the time being. The wise money will be that the Challenge Cup will once again be won by the winners of the Saints Vs Leeds tie, in whatever round that takes place, while those two will contest the grand final again.
We will continue to have shock results where the likes of Cas beats Leeds or Saints. This will lead to talk of the most competitive Super League ever, but as you were eluding to in your earlier post, the top of the league will have a very familiar look to it at the end of the season.
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HKR may well be the suprise package if they can get a bit of consistancy together.
I think Quins will suprise a few and may well sneak into the top 8. I worry for Celtic, but I hope they build a well oiled opperation off the pitch.
Agree with other posters here
Leeds v Saints Grand final and the winner of the leeds v saints cup tie will win the challenge cup.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"the SC deductions were from offences committed in 2006, not 2007,
on a matter of quality the big 4 were the top 4 in 2007,
if anything removing 4 points from wigan altered the league to give an inaccurate representation of events, you tried to make a point that the top4 wasnt 'nailed' on because it hadnt happened for 5 years, when that wasnt true, it happened 1 year ago but points deductions artificially altered the league'"
And without that cheating, Wigan would have been in NL1 in 2007. That they did cheat in 2006, ensuring their survival, meant that they had a better team than they otherwise would have done in 2007, enabling them to finish the weekly rounds in 6th place.
And, just one more point that you seem to have missed, Wigan [idid[/i finish in the top four in 2007. Third, in fact. Bradford were the 'big 4' team that missed out on finishing in the top four.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Leaguefan made a point that part of SLs problem is that it isnt competitive and there is little deviation at the top end. These results are evidence of that
to pretend the big 4 dont dominate the league, when at least 3 have finished top 4 in ever year of SL is just wrong'"
And if anyone had done that, I'd agree with you. No-one has though.
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| Quote ="rhino77"Edited
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Cas playing twice then? Hopefully the other team will have a different away shirt
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| Quote ="Gazemous"Cas playing twice then? Hopefully the other team will have a different away shirt'"
Huddersfield were kicked out because SL needed a team to field 2 teams so Salford and Celtic could be competitive. Obv couldn't be Leeds as they beat Cas with their 2nd team so if Cas were split than there'd be 4 teams at the bottom being competitive
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5. Wigan
6. Huddersfield
7. Bradford
8. Catalans
9. Rovers
10. Wakefield
11. Quins
12. Castleford
13. Salford
14. Celtic'"
You can't put Hull that high, how can they reach 4th when they were 11th last season!
Or at least thats what some idiotic Rovers fan thinks....... It's just not possible.
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2. St Helens- A slow start under Potter will hinder their chances of another league leaders shield.
3. Warrington- A few good additons to the squad should see them lead the chasing pack.
4. Wigan- Barrett is a big loss but will still make the play offs.
5. Hull- Will be keen to impress after a disappointing 2008.
6. Bradford- Recruitment hasn't been great but will have enough quality to make the 6.
7- Huddersfield- Have recruited well but will just miss out.
8- Catalans- Will find it hard to carry on last years form minus Potter.
9. Hull KR- A similar up and down season as last year.
10. Wakefield- Will be looking for a good season after so many off the field problems in 2008 but will not have the quality to trouble the 6.
11. Harlequins- Will pick up vital wins at home but will struggle on the road once again.
12. Castleford- Showed glimpses last year they can play but will struggle in large.
13. Salford- A long hard season predicted for last years NL1 winners.
14. Celtic- Will find it tough in SL and I expect they will be on the end of some big scores.
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| Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"NEWSFlash - All teams get injuries. The trick is to employ a coaching team that adapts and copes, not uses it as a season-long excuse.'"
I think Hul deserve to be left out of the slanging matches until the end of next season, depending on if they an prove themselves. I feel around 8th if they struggle with injuries again, if you don't they could finish anywhere between 3rd and 6th.
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2. St Helens- A slow start under Potter will hinder their chances of another league leaders shield.
3. Warrington- A few good additons to the squad should see them lead the chasing pack.
4. Wigan- Barrett is a big loss but will still make the play offs.
5. Hull- Will be keen to impress after a disappointing 2008.
6. Bradford- Recruitment hasn't been great but will have enough quality to make the 6.
7- Huddersfield- Have recruited well but will just miss out.
8- Catalans- Will find it hard to carry on last years form minus Potter.
9. Hull KR- A similar up and down season as last year.
10. Wakefield- Will be looking for a good season after so many off the field problems in 2008 but will not have the quality to trouble the 6.
11. Harlequins- Will pick up vital wins at home but will struggle on the road once again.
12. Castleford- Showed glimpses last year they can play but will struggle in large.
13. Salford- A long hard season predicted for last years NL1 winners.
14. Celtic- Will find it tough in SL and I expect they will be on the end of some big scores.'"
It's an 8 team play off
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