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| The attendance was ok, roughly the same as every final for the last 25 years. Don't know what people are complaining about...
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| 78k isn't that bad.
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| don't think it was a bad attendance it just looks bad the way Wembley is set out now with club Wembley seating put 65,000 in old Trafford and it can look nearly full
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| Quote ="adelaide-giant.no9"club wembley members should be able to sell seats with a 50/50 profit going to owner/wembley'"
Not a lot of point really when there are plenty of empty seats in areas that are already available, though I agree with others that 78k is no shabby amount.
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| 78k is an absolute fraud. There were nowhere near that many there. Club Wembley is a great excuse for the apologists on this forum who would prefer to make excuses rather than face the fact that our game is in decline at a quicker rate than ever. Who's idea was it to move the final to August? An even worse decision than franchising!
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| Attendance Latest...
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 2013 = 78,137 (allegedly!)
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 1985 = 99,801
% decrease = -21.71%
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| The irony of people sat at home watching on the TV and complaining about the attendance.
Faux hysteria
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| Quote ="William Eve"Attendance Latest...
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 2013 = 78,137 (allegedly!)
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 1985 = 99,801
% decrease = -21.71%'"
F*cking hell... you are one depressing dude!
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| Quote ="Wadski"The irony of people sat at home watching on the TV and complaining about the attendance.
Faux hysteria'"
You missed the important point; Why am I at home?. I went to every CC final from 1986 (8 month old) to 2006. This year I didn't even realise the final was on until last week. I haven't been for 10 years now because my enthusiasm for rugby league is non-existent due to the crap way our sport is run. My mum and dad used to run a coach trip to Wembley every year. We used to have a waiting list to get on the trip. This year only two people went, but lets ignore all of this and bury our heads in the sand!
The first step to fixing a problem is admitting that you have one.
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| The finals of 1983, 1984 and 1986 were 15,000 to 20,000 below capacity. The only reason this wasn't clear was because large parts of the stadium was standing.
If Wembley had been shiny red seats in 1986 - then we would have had the same moaners writing letters to the papers with the usual grim reaper stuff. Club Wembley is out of the RFL's hands. There were some empty seats. It was fine - move on.INOUT
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| Quote ="GansonTheClown"F*cking hell... you are one depressing dude!'"
[uEntertainment rating... [/u
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 2013 = Absolutely dire.
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 1985 = Very Entertaining!
[uQuality rating...[/u
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 2013 = Dreadful.
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 1985 = Superlative!
[uLance Todd Trophy Winner...[/u
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 2013 = Erm..... whatever.
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 1985 = Brett Kenny!
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| 30 years ago we had one showpiece event at a major ground. This year we have fixtures at Man City x 1, Man Utd x 2, Wembley x 2, Millennium Stadium x 1.
We can't stop fans picking and choosing which big game they want to attend.
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| Quote ="William Eve"[uEntertainment rating... [/u
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 2013 = Absolutely dire.
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 1985 = Very Entertaining!
[uQuality rating...[/u
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 2013 = Dreadful.
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 1985 = Superlative!
[uLance Todd Trophy Winner...[/u
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 2013 = Erm..... whatever.
Wigan V Hull CC Final in 1985 = Brett Kenny!'"
I'm not sure what your point is...
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| Quote ="Wadski"The irony of people sat at home watching on the TV and complaining about the attendance.
Faux hysteria'"
Absolutely typical of RL fans. No one does moaning as well....
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"You missed the important point; Why am I at home?.=#BF0000 I went to every CC final from 1986 (8 month old) to 2006. This year I didn't even realise the final was on until last week. I haven't been for 10 years now because my enthusiasm for rugby league is non-existent due to the crap way our sport is run. My mum and dad used to run a coach trip to Wembley every year. We used to have a waiting list to get on the trip. This year only two people went, but lets ignore all of this and bury our heads in the sand!
The first step to fixing a problem is admitting that you have one.'"
Now is it me or does this not add up
8 months old in 1986+ going to CC final for 20 years= 2006
2013-10 years not going to CC final= 2006... no I get 2003
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| Quote ="Euclid"Absolutely typical of RL fans. No one does moaning as well....'"
Agreed.
Beats turd-polishing instead though.
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| Quote ="Shoe Shine Johnny"The finals of 1983, 1984 and 1986 were 15,000 to 20,000 below capacity. The only reason this wasn't clear was because large parts of the stadium was standing.
If Wembley had been shiny red seats in 1986 - then we would have had the same moaners writing letters to the papers with the usual grim reaper stuff. Club Wembley is out of the RFL's hands. There were some empty seats. It was fine - move on.INOUT'"
Yes but the 70s and the 80s were really poor times for rugby league - so william will tell you, its suits his argument to be selective!!!
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| Quote ="ISpeaksProperEnglish"Now is it me or does this not add up
8 months old in 1986+ going to CC final for 20 years= 2006
2013-10 years not going to CC final= 2006... no I get 2003'"
You are correct, I stopped going on the trip in 2003 but went one off in 2006. Remembered half way through writing that but forgot to amend the second figure!
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| A suggestion? Both Wigan and Hull are normally among the larger contributors of neutral fans when they are not playing in the final. When we are the contenders, the other teams don't fill the gaps as well. I certainly couldn't criticise either club for numbers today, great turn out from both.
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| Only 79,000? Wow, that's like, got to be the lowest attendance in Challenge Cup history, surely? Shame on all those fans who watched it on telly red seat spotting eh?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Yes but the 70s and the 80s were really poor times for rugby league - so william will tell you, its suits his argument to be selective!!!'"
When I was a kid in the 1980/90s going to Wembley was like this 'new exciting world' . I rarely went to other parts of the country (or abroad) and I would imagine it would been a ritual for thousands of RL fans from the north. There was no London team in the top division then, no trips to the South of France and no Grand Final. The Challenge Cup was the only chance for a 'big day out'.
This year I have been to London 15 times, France x2 Edinburgh x 2, Denmark, Sweden, USA, Italy, Dubai, Hong Kong.... (blah, blah) you get the picture.
The Challenge Cup final does not mean the same to kids growing up as it did in my generation. It is important yes, but we live very different lives now. We also have World Cup games at OT, Wembley, Cardiff etc, as well as the GF It is a much harder sell to an audience that is all to quick to pour scorn on RL (while professing to love it at the same time).
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Look we all know the attendances are selective.
Anyone want to check
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge_Cup
The average attendance for the final is 58733.90
So that 33% above the average for the final.
If you take the average from when it moved to Wembley.
The that is 70745.66.
So for a Wembley final it's 10% above average.
Like I said we can all pick our stats.
If you take the average for a final in the years of SL.
That comes in at 74141.56
So today's final is 5% up for the challenge cup in the super league years.
Basically on any reasonable measure over a period of time, rather than picking exceptional one off years. Today's attendance was a good attendance.
For those who follow the stock market do not go to William Eve for your figures as picking out one year to compare with another, gives you no guidance at all.
You should look over a 10 year or further time frame.
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Look we all know the attendances are selective.
Anyone want to check
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge_Cup
The average attendance for the final is 58733.90
So that 33% above the average for the final.
If you take the average from when it moved to Wembley.
The that is 70745.66.
So for a Wembley final it's 10% above average.
Like I said we can all pick our stats.
If you take the average for a final in the years of SL.
That comes in at 74141.56
So today's final is 5% up for the challenge cup in the super league years.
Basically on any reasonable measure over a period of time, rather than picking exceptional one off years. Today's attendance was a good attendance.
For those who follow the stock market do not go to William Eve for your figures as picking out one year to compare with another, gives you no guidance at all.
You should look over a 10 year or further time frame.
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| Embarrassingly awful game and questionable attendance being defended by the current generation of Super League-era turd polishers.
No surprises there.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Embarrassingly awful game and questionable attendance being defended by the current generation of Super League-era turd polishers.
No surprises there.'"
I see you leap to personal attacks when your numbers are put under greater scrutiny.
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| Does anyone seriously believe there were over 78,000 in attendance at Wembley today?
Seriously?
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