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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Sean O'Loughlin is probably in the top 10 back rowers in the world at the minute. His defence is exceptional and aswell as being a good metre maker he has alot more assists than Burgess or Ellis.'"
=#8040FFWho are both playing in a far superior league, and in a different position.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8040FFWho are both playing in a far superior league, and in a different position.'"
I didn't dispute that the NRL is better. I'm talking backrow in general.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I didn't dispute that the NRL is better.'"
So you agree that its ridiculous to compare stats, for people playing in leagues whch have different standards?
Or do you think that my little brother, is in fact better than ellis and o'loughlin, because his stats, playing for his high school team against average teenagers, are better than their stats, whilst playing against the best pro's in the world?
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| O'Loughlin gets some stick but he's a quality player that I'd have at Wire anyday.
Best Backrower in the world? no chance, different type of player to Ellis or Burgess who will probably give a team more as an all rounder but he isn't as good as them at what they do
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| Quote ="Dico"O'Loughlin gets some stick but he's a quality player that I'd have at Wire anyday.
Best Backrower in the world? no chance, different type of player to Ellis or Burgess who will probably give a team more as an all rounder but he isn't as good as them at what they do'"
I agree with that, different type of player.
O'Loughlin would get in any SL side and alot of NRL sides though.
Quote ="Widnes 'till i die"Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I didn't dispute that the NRL is better.'"
So you agree that its ridiculous to compare stats, for people playing in leagues whch have different standards?
Or do you think that my little brother, is in fact better than ellis and o'loughlin, because his stats, playing for his high school team against average teenagers, are better than their stats, whilst playing against the best pro's in the world?'"
Stats are constantly being compared between Nrl & SL as they are the 2 top competitions in the world. The Premier League, La Liga & Serie A all get compared (Messi & Ronaldo when he was at Man Utd) even though the Premiership is probably the best. Even if one league is better it is still the nearest thing for comparison.
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| I think O'L would get in any team in the world tbh if he went for a price.
I don't think a single team in the world has 3 backrowers better than him, lets be honest if Flanagan can do it jeeesus O'L could
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| Quote ="Dico"I think O'L would get in any team in the world tbh if he went for a price.
I don't think a single team in the world has 3 backrowers better than him, lets be honest if Flanagan can do it jeeesus O'L could'"
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
I think there is alot of people who don't rate O'L for some reason, but he is definitely up there with the best English back rowers for a start.
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| I wish Ellis played like this at Leeds.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I wish Ellis played like this at Leeds.'"
With quality players around them some players thrive
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| Lockers is currently the most creative 13 in the world along with defence to match anyone.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Lockers is currently the most creative 13 in the world'"
13 is a vital position and to say he’s the most creative is mind numbing. I’m sorry but the most creative 13 in the world would of created something against Leeds in a challenge cup match.
Whilst he’s been fantastic in the league and he did well for England. Something just doesn’t quite add up when he can't perform a winning move when it matters.
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| couple of great hits from burgess in the game vs penrith last week
i'm very impressed with burgess's second row partner at souths dave taylor this season - already an origin call up and looking good for the aussie side for the four nations
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| Carl Ablett is currently the best second rower =#FFFFFFin leeds.
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"Carl Ablett is currently the best second rower =#FFFFFFin leeds.'"
Not even the best 2nd rower at Leeds.
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"Carl Ablett is currently the best second rower =#FFFFFFin leeds.'"
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"Carl Ablett is currently the best second rower =#FFFFFFin leeds.'"
At Leeds? In Super League? In the World?? Which do you mean??
He's nowhere near Langley, O'Loughlin, Ellis, Burgess, Tomkins or Westwood for England.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"At Leeds? In Super League? In the World?? Which do you mean??
He's nowhere near Langley, O'Loughlin, Ellis, Burgess, Tomkins or Westwood for England.'"
To say Ablett is nowhere near Langley or Westwood is imo a ridiculous statement. From what i've seen of him, he's playing really well, and is starting to get some of the credit he deserves.
I think he should possibly be in the england squad for the 4 nations, if he keeps playing as he is. Its a shame for him that he plays in the one position we have a decent amount of strength in depth, cant see him gettin much, if any game time for England because of this.
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| Go on Gareth lad! A great product of the Wakey academy, he deserves all the success he has achieved so far and more. One of the Wakefield greats.
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| tbh i rate ablett as a good player but i dont see what he would offer England that we don't already have. I rate Westwood at club level, he's been PHENOMINAL for us at times but compared to the worlds greats no matter how hard that guys trains, he's just not got it the same way Ablett, Langley et al haven't.
O'Loughlin imo has, no he's not the best in the world but to dismiss him as some do is ridiculous, tbh I think any NRL team would take him and the all round game he offers (can do multiple roles to international standard) is brilliant. Any team would take him but he isn't a player that would make a world XIII but is a top bracket player that Westwood, Langley cant offer. In most club teams he would be a ball playing loose but at int level he'd be a super solid tackling machine better than any in our division imo, top player.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Sean O'Loughlin is probably in the top 10 back rowers in the world at the minute. His defence is exceptional and aswell as being a good metre maker he has alot more assists than Burgess or Ellis.'"
Why do you like O'Loughlin so much? Is it the curly hair? Very over rated player.
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| I'm an Aussie NRL fan and believe O'Loughlin would fairly easily make it into any NRL side.
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| Sheens just named Ellis the best import to ever play for the club.
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| Quote ="Ashulster"Sheens just named Ellis the best import to ever play for the club.'"
Ellis has been outstanding in the games I have seen in the past couple of months and the Aussie commentators have been full of praise of his performances.
At present Ellis, Burgess, Thaiday, Blair and Andrew Ryan are the stand out players every week. Burgess has it all, hes dynamic in defence and attack and should develop into the top 2nd rower in rugby league.
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| still think burgess would be a better 13 than a 2nd rower....playing 13 gives him license to pop up anywhere rather than being stuck to the left or right channel if he's was a 2nd rower...
as for sam thaiday...he looks good...cos he runs at centres & wingers...or sideways...
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