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| I was talking about the rules fat ar$e. Not about the actual grand parents themselves.  |
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| Quote ="Eric_Cartman_is_a_saint"A past it Wellens, is still the best we have. Did you see the two try saving tackles he made against Wigan? Would the likes of Briscoe or Owen have made them? I doubt it'"
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"The question is would he make those tackles against the faster stronger Aussies? if the last WC is anything to go by the answer is a resounding no.
For me Owen has to be selected - we will get hammered anyway so try and build a team for the future'"
Smith didnt even think he warranted a place in the train on sqaud, which i think is a poor choice myself, i'm not saying he's ready to be englands no.1 fullback, but he looks like he might be our promising long term option so why not put him in for the experience? |
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| Quote ="tb"You might have 11 grandparents, Freaky.'"
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I do understand the need for defensive 'solidity', but England will never get close to Australia by picking a full back who can tackle but adds nothing in attack. If Senior isn't playing then I'd seriously look at Leon Pryce in the centres, because the gap between Senior and anyone else is frightening.
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Quote ="Frosties."Gareth Widdop?'"
Very good call even though he's untested at the highest grade!
I think his grounding at Melbourne storm would see him flourish on the international stage.
He's just been promoted to the Melbourne first grade where he would almost certainly be the first choice full-back if it wasn't for a certain Mr Billy Slater.
There are a number of NRL clubs where Widdop would be the out and out first choice full-back.
I doubt that Tony Smith even knows about him and I further doubt that he would have the bottle to pick him for the train on squad and possibly play him in the team.
There are some very high opinions of him from the likes of Peter Sterling and Andrew Johns.
Plenty of praise from fans of all other clubs too:
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Quote ="Frosties."Gareth Widdop?'"
Very good call even though he's untested at the highest grade!
I think his grounding at Melbourne storm would see him flourish on the international stage.
He's just been promoted to the Melbourne first grade where he would almost certainly be the first choice full-back if it wasn't for a certain Mr Billy Slater.
There are a number of NRL clubs where Widdop would be the out and out first choice full-back.
I doubt that Tony Smith even knows about him and I further doubt that he would have the bottle to pick him for the train on squad and possibly play him in the team.
There are some very high opinions of him from the likes of Peter Sterling and Andrew Johns.
Plenty of praise from fans of all other clubs too:
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damn right he should'nt pick him....he's not done anything yet
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| Quote ="The Clan"There are a number of NRL clubs where Widdop would be the out and out first choice full-back.'"
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| Quote ="Frosties."Gareth Widdop?'"
how did he end up in the nrl? was he ever at a sl club?
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| CGD none really.
Its a massive step up to first grade and if England want to pick a Toyota Cup player in their squad it says they are desperate.
Plenty of young players shine in the lower grades never to make it at top level, there was a player called Shannon Walker with the Titans two years ago anyone know what happened to him?
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He's playing Queensland Cup.
Just thinking of all the fullbacks in the NRL...
Billy Slater
Jarryd Hayne
Luke Pattern
Darius Boyde
Karmichael Hunt
Matthew Bowen
Brett Stewart
William Zillman.....
I mean....I'm struggling to think of a player this kid would push aside so easily.
Best the poms have not...but not quite NRL level yet. He might get some games on the wing for the Storm next year though.
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I would suggest that Tony Smith do two things
1. Play a regular full back in the full back position (and regular player in every other spot too)
2. If a player has consistently failed to impress at international level, assume it will continue and give somebody else a chance to impress
The above points to one man in my mind and that's Shaun Briscoe
As for players from the NRL (or Toyota Cup) - maybe when they have proved themselves over a couple of seasons as Briscoe has... just a few months ago people were suggesting that Jordan Tansey was the nailed on England full back after two games for the Roosters first team!!
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To be fair only idiots were suggesting that about Jordan Tansey.
I agree though, I'd rather see a bunch of new players completely fail for England know that they are not the ones that will turn things around than see the same old faces looking back from under the goal posts as Australia scored 38 points in the first half.
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"
Just thinking of all the fullbacks in the NRL...
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Brett Stewart
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Then we have Shaun Briscoe
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Briscoe to play Owen in the squad for me.
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I would agree with that, tony smith doesnt. |
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| Quote ="Loop"Briscoe to play Owen in the squad for me.'"
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Shaun Briscoe - Best fullback in the country.
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Look, anyone thats not called Paul would be an improvement.
If they can walk as a brisk pace....BINGO....improvement!
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| Quote ="Roofs"Shaun Briscoe - Best fullback in the country.'"
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The daft thing is that Paul Wellens is still comfortably the best English fullback in Super League at club level.
Add in the fact we've got no wingers or centres either and it's looking as bad as ever.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"The daft thing is that Paul Wellens is still comfortably the best English fullback in Super League at club level.
Add in the fact we've got no wingers or centres either and it's looking as bad as ever.
If we had Davies, Hunte, Offiah, Newlove and Connolly we might keep them to 30.'"
I think you are right about Wellens being the best club full back (I wouldn't say comfortably but that's your prerogative)
The problem with international Rugby League is that it highlights an individuals weaknesses mercilessly and Wellens lack of pace has been exposed time and again (both in bringing the ball back from kicks and in defence). I don't think that Briscoe will be fond out the same, time will tell I suppose
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