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| I don't have a problem with "home town" match officials.
I still believe that they are neutral regarding games.
But how 6 match officials can perform that badly as they did last night was either a one off, (every team has a bad day) or there are serious problems.
I would prefer to think it was a one off.
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| Quote ="Rover in Oz"Thaler is clearly not up to Super League standard, he is incompetent and clearly has a lack of understanding towards the rules. It has been said before.'"
Send him down to us in the Championship. He'll be in good company because they're all gash down here.
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| Quote ="crucrucrusaders"Glad it's not just me who thought he was rubbish then.
It turns out now that his brother is actually a Wakefield fan.
That is a joke in itself and if you are a fan of any other sport looking in you'd find it quite unbelievable.'"
So relatives of referees are not allowed to follow a team?
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| Quote ="crucrucrusaders"
It turns out now that his brother is actually a Wakefield fan.
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| Quote im a wakefield fan and agree we got all the 50 50 decisions today the try halibut dissallowed when blaymire tried to place the ball over the tryline to stop him being tackled behind his line was a complete joke would have been a try every day of the week for me'"
I'm still confused by the decision Albert gave
If it was knocked on in the in goal area it would have been a drop out but still a try due to advantage
If it was a [idouble[/i tackle - Pen defence
If it was knocked on in the field of play - try -advantage gained
I cant see where he got scrum attack from- bizarre
Another one was when the ball was caught in goal having touched another player on route to the catcher but still in the air-Drop out under the sticks
In the Wire game something similar happened and when Briers challenged the decision it was given as a "tap 20".
My final "observation" was the hooter went at 79:30 on the sky clock
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| Quote ="wire-quin"I'm still confused by the decision Albert gave
If it was knocked on in the in goal area it would have been a drop out but still a try due to advantage
If it was a [idouble[/i tackle - Pen defence
If it was knocked on in the field of play - try -advantage gained
I cant see where he got scrum attack from- bizarre
he demed the tackel was completed and he then lost the ball hence the scrum just the same as if he had lost the ball when playing the ball the decision was right by the way if he had lost the ball over the line it would have been a drop out most decisions last night were right just coz they are a new team does not mean they can play with a differant set of rules to the rest of us or can they
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| I couldn't care less they are new I just felt the decision was bizarre. The player lost the ball ie tried to keep it in the field of play whilst still in motion. You can tell me all you want the ball carrying arm touched the floor but he was still moving hence why the ball continued to travel backwards towards the in goal.
Unusual
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| Quote ="the day will come"Quote ="wire-quin"I'm still confused by the decision Albert gave
If it was knocked on in the in goal area it would have been a drop out but still a try due to advantage
If it was a [idouble[/i tackle - Pen defence
If it was knocked on in the field of play - try -advantage gained
I cant see where he got scrum attack from- bizarre
he demed the tackel was completed and he then lost the ball hence the scrum just the same as if he had lost the ball when playing the ball the decision was right by the way if he had lost the ball over the line it would have been a drop out most decisions last night were right just coz they are a new team does not mean they can play with a differant set of rules to the rest of us or can they'" '"
Nail on head.
Tackle was complete and ball lost after.
100% Correct decision.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Quote ="the day will come"
Nail on head.
Tackle was complete and ball lost after.
100% Correct decision.'" '"
You could argue that if the tackle was complete then it should have been a penalty to Wakefield because the Celtic player continued to drag him back towards the in-goal area resulting in the knock-on...
In all honesty though, the referee should have played the advantage and given the try, I don't see how you can argue it any other way
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| Quote ="crucrucrusaders"Glad it's not just me who thought he was rubbish then.
It turns out now that his brother is actually a Wakefield fan.
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show me a rugby referee who never had an interest in RL until he was a ref in the super league and ill show my out off ackos fun bus all the way to barrow.
ben is from normington it is very likely that he was a wakey fan as a kid and having seen him officate many wakey games he seems to be quite neutral in fact a little bit too neutral at times.
although all it would take is the rfl to a revert back to no home town refs .
that way he could make sure cas and leeds always lose
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"I don't have a problem with "home town" match officials.
I still believe that they are neutral regarding games.
But how 6 match officials can perform that badly as they did last night was either a one off, (every team has a bad day) or there are serious problems.
I would prefer to think it was a one off.'"
Well said. RL seems to be the only sport where fans have a problem with home town officials.
Either an official is neutral or he isn't.
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| Quote ="crucrucrusaders"Glad it's not just me who thought he was rubbish then.
It turns out now that his brother is actually a Wakefield fan.
That is a joke in itself and if you are a fan of any other sport looking in you'd find it quite unbelievable.'"
I can understand your annoyed, and although you were never going to win you certainly were not helped. Trust me Trinity fans have been there more times than you can imagine when it comes to dodgy reffing.
However Thaler is not pro Wakey and so what if his brother supports us, he is entitled to support whom he wants. The VR gave you the harshest calls as Thaler clearly referred all the doubtfull ones to him.
It's crap at the bottom but just move on you will get it in the end - whining doesn't help unless your Wes or a Hudd fan in general then it's a birth right
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| The only difference that the Refs made was to your points difference really though. Crusaders were inept in many areas, ball retention mainly.
Although I do have sympathy for Celtic, it made no difference on the outcome of the game.
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| Ben Thaler is just a donkey
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Ben Thaler is just a donkey'"
Tell who your coach is cant you......
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| The decision at the KR vs Wire match was a bit weird.
5 seconds left; "Time off" the scrum is formed.
*Hooter*
Silverwood/Bentham whoever it was blows up.
"Sir, you took the time off!"
"No I didn't Lee."
Fair enough there was 5 seconds left but why blatantly lie. Then fans moan "Berrr this is turning into football" but in football a referee makes a decision and sticks with it and doesn't make a decision then denies doing so.
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| Quote ="Mr.Brightside"The decision at the KR vs Wire match was a bit weird.
5 seconds left; "Time off" the scrum is formed.
*Hooter*
Silverwood/Bentham whoever it was blows up.
"Sir, you took the time off!"
"No I didn't Lee."
Fair enough there was 5 seconds left but why blatantly lie. Then fans moan "Berrr this is turning into football" but in football a referee makes a decision and sticks with it and doesn't make a decision then denies doing so.'"
He stopped the clock but once the hooter goes he has to call time if the ball is dead unless it's a penalty.
It was the time keepers who got it wrong
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| as a celtic fan i was a bit annoyed to not be able to either attend or watch last nights game so i'm not going to comment on the game however what i will say is that karma is a beautiful thing and will even itself out eventually.
some might say this is karma in action because we got a license we shouldn't have had, maybe it is. however its pointless debating something we can't change either it was so bad that someone needs to officially complain to the RFL for a full investigation into the suitability of this ref at this level to which the response will be the only way to get up to the level needed is to ref at that level . i.e tough $hit. or they'll just ignore it.
we're stuck with him the result is on the board i just hope we don't get him again
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| Quote ="Mutts"show me a rugby referee who never had an interest in RL until he was a ref in the super league and ill show my booty out off ackos fun bus all the way to barrow.
ben is from normington it is very likely that he was a wakey fan as a kid and having seen him officate many wakey games he seems to be quite neutral in fact a little bit too neutral at times.
although all it would take is the rfl to a revert back to no home town refs .
that way he could make sure cas and leeds always lose
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Mutts where the fook is that.
He is from Normanton which is between Wakey & Cas.
Ben as reffed us before & screwed us also in the past. It's swings & roundabouts.
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| Quote ="Adamjk"Quote ="TURFEDOUT"
You could argue that if the tackle was complete then it should have been a penalty to Wakefield because the Celtic player continued to drag him back towards the in-goal area resulting in the knock-on...
=redIn all honesty though, the referee should have played the advantage and given the try, I don't see how you can argue it any other way'" '"
Quite simple - tackle deemed complete -- the ball is dead , no advantage can be played,after a tackle is made the ball has to be brought back into play(by playing the ball).
100%correct decision.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Quote ="Adamjk"
Quite simple - tackle deemed complete -- the ball is dead , no advantage can be played,after a tackle is made the ball has to be brought back into play(by playing the ball).
100%correct decision.'" '"
As I already said though, if we're saying the tackle was complete then how was it not a penalty? The Celtic player continued to drag the Wakefield player back and he lost the ball in the process. If it was already complete then he should have been penalised for not releasing the player/ interference at the play the ball then shouldn't he?
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| Could anybody clear up the defused bomb, or not? As somebody else mentioned contradicting decisions seemed to be given in the 2 games, anybody know for sure?
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| Quote ="Adamjk"Quote ="TURFEDOUT"
As I already said though, if we're saying the tackle was complete then how was it not a penalty? The Celtic player continued to drag the Wakefield player back and he lost the ball in the process. If it was already complete then he should have been penalised for not releasing the player/ interference at the play the ball then shouldn't he?'" '"
Thats a fair comment,but in Aliberts opinion,Blaymire lost the ball after the tackle was completed.He could have ruled a penalty to Wakefield,if he deemed the Celtic player hadnt released Blaymire and continued to affect the tackle even though it was already complete.
However, the one thing he couldnt do, was play on.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Thats a fair comment,but in Aliberts opinion,Blaymire lost the ball after the tackle was completed.He could have ruled a penalty to Wakefield,if he deemed the Celtic player hadnt released Blaymire and continued to affect the tackle even though it was already complete.
However, the one thing he couldnt do, was play on.'"
You can knock on after a tackle is complete and before playing the ball. It still counts as a knock on. Blaymire voluntarily released the ball after the tackle, making it a knock on. Alibert even awarded the scrum to Celtic.
It should have been play on and the try given.
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