Just because you're too simple to understand an argument is no need to get personal.

There are 17,000 Club Wembley tickets where people have paid to have a ticket to a variety of events for 10 years. The problem we have is that a lot of these people do not take up their seats and it leaves massive gaps in prime areas.

However say 7,000 of those 17,000 Club Wembley tickets were taken up that is still a lot of fans who would not have attended that game if there were no such thing as Club Wembley. It's not unreasonable to assume that many go because they have a free ticket that would not go if they had to pay.

The RFL were given 73,000 tickets to sell and didn't sell them all meaning without Club Wembley (and of course it isn't cut and dry) that the crowd would have been less than 73,000. It's quite simple really.

Comparative to previous years though and with the current financial situation of course it isn't a bad crowd.

Am I the only one sitting here giggling at the irony of people who couldn't be d traveling to Wembley complaining about the lack of bums on seats during the course of the game?

Anybody who expects 80 thousand people to consist of only people from the two towns/cities (delete as appropriate) involved in the final is a deluded tosspot. That might happen in Football, it simply doesn't, and never has, happened in RL.

I also think it's a little harsh to be pointing at Huddersfield's alleged lack of support. The people that went (regardless of who they support actually) should all be applauded, not vilified for not cloning themselves to double the numbers.

Also, on the point of Warrington's hangers on ... I've got to be honest, I simply don't care - yes it would be nice if we needed to expand the HJ in order to accommodate over 20k fans a week - but that isn't going to happen, as far as the North West goes Warrington is a fairly affluent town (in the main), people who are in good jobs are well within their rights to travel to a game and support the team, even if they only did so by being taken in by the euphoria surrounding the semi final win.

Even if only 1% of those fans take more of an interest in the following the club in the future (every game or even only 1 or 2 games), then it's a win situation for the club.

It never ceases to amaze me the people who criticise so called hangers on. Te game needs to attract new fans for a start, but the whole point is wembley cup final days are for people who do not usally attend games but are enjoying the one off - the family outing with mum and grandma attending their first match for years, old firiends reunited... etc etc.

People need to chill and look at the bigger picture before they think 20k plus are 'hangers on' desperate for a bit of glory. There is more to their life then the result of a rugby matc.

Exactly. The people who do it are usually the ones that think turning up to every home and away game somehow makes them special and a "better" supporter than anyone else.

Every single club would have these 'hangers on.' It's inevitable that occasional watchers are going to be more attracted by a final. I'm from quite a large family and some of us will always go the game, often at different points. When it becomes a final everybody will go and even my sisters want to go.

We all do it to an extent. I don't really care about Football as much as I used to but come World Cup time I jump on the bandwagon because it's the only real time I'm interested.

How is this a point when the crowd compares well with those pre-SL?
As a sport, our expectations are rising. 7k was considered a good attendance at the forefront of SL. Last year, it was the second lowest average in the league.

76k was 14k short of capacity and nearly 10k short of the previous two New Wembley finals. It's still a tremendous attendance, but compares poorly to our new rising expectations.


Complete and utter drivel. For a start, BARLA run BARLA clubs, not the RFL.
And the Championship is getting some of the best crowds for lower league RL it's ever had. And they're on TV. And they receive money for it.

There are loads of people who are disillusioned with the RFL. But these are the kind of people that are disillusioned from reality also. The RFL cannot cater the delusional, and so don't try.

Did any of the people bemoaning the "poor" 76k attendance go themselves?

Isn't this rather like refusing to vote, and then complaining about the government?

just what i said, the people who complain are probably the ones who would have no intention of gonig to wembley unless their team was in the final

I went.

Great final, cracking crowd and yet such a long thread moaning about the attendance.
Godd bless rugby league fans

No we dont , not the place or the time but WE DONT

carry on

I think some people feel that being a "gruff, honest, plain speaking Northerner" is somehow the same thing as criticising [ieverything[/i.

It doesn't make you more down to earth and admirable, you know - it makes you tedious and mard.

The funny thing is, you said this pages and pages ago, and yet still keep coming back onto this thread to read more about it.

Are people not allowed to have an opinion on the thread about attendances? Can they only say good things all the time?

God bless patronising people that think their opinion is worth more than others, and talk down to those that may think differently

Not that funny flower.
So you say that people should be able to express their opinion then have a withering go at me for expressing mine.
Is that you Brian on a wind up?

Flower? Can't help being patronising, can you?

I didn't have a go about you expressing your opinion. Read my post again. I had a go about your patronising attitude towards other people's opinions that differ from yours. And you have continued this in the next post in the very first sentence.

You think the attendance was fine. If people want to think otherwise in an apparently debatable subject, who are you to patronise them?

Flower is a term of endearment son.
If we took everyone who thinks it was a good crowd off this thread it wouldn't be a debate it would be a monotone, boring list of complaints.
I know which one I'd prefer.

Just like petal? And now son. I'm not sure if you're trying to argue that you weren't being patronising. But if you were, you're not doing a very good job!

You're still stuck in the "I have a problem with your opinion being different to mine" mode. You can think what you like. I have no problem with what you think.

If we took out all the patronising comments people make on this forum, and actually have a debate with differing opinions using logic, then these boards would be a much better read.
I know which one I'd prefer.

Excellent. So that's that then.

Glad you've gathered that.

Now can I post my opinion on this matter without being patronised by you for thinking differently?

Patronising? Like this?



Back on topic.


It'll be the same again for the 4 Nations.

Trolls deserve patronising. Anyone that goes out of their way to irritate others for their own enjoyment deserve all the contempt they get.



I went to the game. I said it was poor. How does this fit in with the theory?

From the man who brought you

Trolls don't post their opinions, they post wind-ups. So makes no difference to what I said here.


Trolls don't want a debate. Their aim is to wind people up.


You would need all the trolls off the forum to have an actual debate.


Trolls don't post their opinions. They post what will wind people up the most.


Basically, people that troll on a discussion board deserve to be treated as inferior as they provide nothing to the boards other than distress of other users by unsettling. They deserved to be treated as inferior. They deserve to be patronised.

Someone who has a differing opinion doesn't deserve to be patronised. Who is to say they are superior in a topic which will never have a right answer?

And I thought you were trying to get back on topic? That didn't last long.

in the past 15 years there as only been 4 attendances higher than saturdays so cant see how its a poor crowd at all, and it was only 6000 less than last years final which is only marginally poorer, so to say its poor with 2 unfashionable sides there is a joke when you consider that 10 of the other finals included 1 or sometimes 2 of the infamous big four, for me it was a great crowd and i really enjoyed the day even though we lost

It'll be sold out next year for a Bradford vs Hull KR final.

All our 'glory' fans who buggered back off to Huddersfield will return and we all know millions from Hull will go too

.

Bradford will win of course to further imburse their places as the second most successful side ever in the super league era.