Perhaps not, but maybe you have evidence to support that ludicrous allegation.

Thank you very much for this. six Superleague clubs did not want the current system especially the ones with the big owners (inc. Lenegan, Moran, Pearson, Davey, Koukash and McManus) so to stop Superleague wrecking it by controlling P & R, an agreement was drawn up that Superleague had to concede whoever won the MPG would go up and whoever came bottom of SL would go down. In short the RFL had the SL votes to force this (7 SL clubs voted for, six against),RFL devised system.

The power base changed however and the RFL quickly lost the votes and as we (well those of us interested and not trolling) can see Superleague have slaughtered the RFL and are set to to change the system for 2022 when the RFL will have no say in the TV deal. That is when Superleague clubs will decide on 10 or 12 clubs, overseas clubs or not.

On France the view of the powerful chairmen is they want to see France bring a French TV deal and develop quality French players in the same way we do here. They said this very openly to Toulouse a few years ago. It is therefore easy to assume if SKY money goes down it could be the end of France never mind the silly American dream.

What confuses this is Eamon McManus publicly came out on behalf of Superleague THIS AUTUMN and announced that Superleague chairmen did not want "a team antipodean and English players owned by an Australian dressed up as an American team" and he said they would prefer Toulouse being promoted instead (THE REALITY MAY WELL HAVE BEEN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE PREFERRED LONDON TO STAY BUT P&R LEGALLY HAD TO HAPPEN.)

The RFL forced SL to abide by the legally binding agreement p&r MUST HAPPEN and the WINNER must go up.

That agreement ends soon and SL will negotiate the new agreement and will decide the number of SL clubs and who they want. French clubs will be bottom of the list and NA clubs will not even be on it - does anyone not see that TWP have not bothered to prepare for Superleague and have signed the same team up again? Some of them significantly signed to the end of the current deal.

But the SBW stunt covers the reality. The American dream is dead come the new TV contract. Does anyone not see why NY and Ottawa just keep getting kicked down the road apart from you Axey?

oops, JeanSteph et al must have a lot of pairs of pants on, to have them collectively pulled down so admirably.

Edited for honest accuracy.

Cheap shot dishonest edit by a Leigh based troll.

you could just back your claim dimwit

I’m still waiting evidence that SL don’t want Toronto even though they have been promoted LOL

Oh that’s right, there is no evidence.

They are not going to come out and say it, see how it goes this season when Toronto get relegated Walt.

It could quite easily. OTOH it could be a case of McManus angling for the odd sweetener going forward.

Indeed.....but the reality is that if the SL blokes flog off 25% of their product to a VC company then that new "partner" will want to see dollar signs.....something argyle hasn't managed to leverage with his gazzillions of bux. Fair chance that if the VC company can flog a 2 x 10 team league with games 7 days a week to global TV networks, then we'll see a decent deal....but shared between 20 sides.

If that's the case, then that'll be 20 UK based sides because perish the thought that the VC with just 6 teams in support could control the game with 55% f the power......then Jean and Co can get a hard-on for Catalan, Toulouse, Toronto and 3 others running the game.

Denise Brady of league Weekly interviewed Eamon McManus speaking on behalf of Superleage as regards promotion to Superleague. The article was headed "Saints boss backs Toulouse over North American clubs" He said "In France there is a meaning and infrastructure behind RL", he also said "TWP is a team of English and Antipodeans owned by an Australian in Canada, there is a huge difference between France and North America"

McManus opined that with Toulouse joining Catalans in SL there would be "new avenues with French broadcasters" of course McDermott for the useless TWP was sent out to tell us all there are no NATV deals and no NA players either. TWP's promotion killed any French TV deal. I've witnessed this type of thing where people like you troll all day with "no evidence of anything" yet when you don't like the facts you demand "evidence". I tend to read up on the game every week through the RL press and get the facts like the one above.

McManus preferred Toulouse to TWP, in terms of a straight choice between the two clubs up for promotion. I would have thought that if McManus and his fellow SL chairmen had not been legally bound to accept P&R they would have either left London in or promoted Leigh etc. But one thing is for sure Superleague clubs don't want the American dream.

Show me some evidence they do Steph?.....Come on??

Interview with Adam Pearson... Where do you stand on Toronto? Do you think it’s a good thing? I think the whole expansion development programme needs looking at. We need to decide what it is and where we want to go. We’ve got Toronto, they’ve signed Sonny Bill Williams and got us some PR, it’s going to be a difficult trip to go there and play them in 48 hours. We’re the first team to go there, but they will be competitive and they will add something to Super League. On the balance of it, I’m relatively happy they’re there and hopefully they have a sustainable model, underpinned again by a wealthy benefactor and hopefully they play a brand of rugby that adds to Super League. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ry-3643063 Seems pretty luke warm to me.

Interview with Adam Pearson... Where do you stand on Toronto? Do you think it’s a good thing? I think the whole expansion development programme needs looking at. We need to decide what it is and where we want to go. We’ve got Toronto, they’ve signed Sonny Bill Williams and got us some PR, it’s going to be a difficult trip to go there and play them in 48 hours. We’re the first team to go there, but they will be competitive and they will add something to Super League. On the balance of it, I’m relatively happy they’re there and hopefully they have a sustainable model, underpinned again by a wealthy benefactor and hopefully they play a brand of rugby that adds to Super League. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ry-3643063 Seems pretty luke warm to me.

Pearson has to promote Superleague in this interview even through gritted teeth. SL can't afford to have spats and rifts before it even starts. He's not going to say the likes of TWP, Ottawa and New York are some sort of breath of fresh air ESPECIALLY since 80% of his fanbase don't see anything good in the American dream. That American dream also lines up Hull.K.R. to be relegated to make way for it. Does Pearson want that - he's big mates with the Hudge? He just has to grit his teeth.

ANYWAY It appears that New York were due to meet the RFL for final approval for 2021 in "Early December" did you or anyone else see anything on this perchance?? Thanks in anticipation.

Just for clarity, I was agreeing with you, knowing AP if he fully backed TWP he would have said so.

New York, Ottowa etc. are pipe dreams, RL couldn't make a Welsh team work, Catalans isn't really French, Jean is a dreamer and a fantasist.

[i""Rugby league is a constantly evolving and expanding game - and now New York, is setting their sights on the Super League by the 2023 season. A team from the 'Big Apple' are set to join England's third division competition in 2021 - meaning they could realistically be in the top flight by 2023. According to senior journalist Dean 'Bulldog' Ritchie “They’ve got all their ducks in a row at the moment - money, home ground, sponsors – and I think by Christmas the RFL will formally approve New York for 2021,""
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The meet with the RFL was supposed to be early December, this quote above put it back to "by Christmas", and now we are at the New Year? Anyone seen any approval yet?

At the risk of causing offence, you do seem very repetitive, I don't think I am alone in having suspicions you may be Jean/Steph, arguing with yourself.

You are not the first person to have such thoughts.

Aye, and you all keep replying to all of em - hence creating the click bait that funds the forum through the sponsorship

Really? Happy to withdraw from the Forum if this is a general opinion?

BTW it is very offensive especially as I was the one to suggest nobody replied to Jean Capdouze, and yet nobody took any notice clearly enjoying the games with the alleged Troll.

What do you want guys, a debate and discussion on Rugby league or to just exchange insults with trolls??

Maybe someone could just press the reboot button.

I intend to leave 2019 with the truth, RLFans is ultimately corrupt, Jean, and it's various personas are allowed. The whole shooting match is finished, there is more spine in a jelly.RL will die, and idiots like Jean will see to it.

If SADFISH has the nuts to front up, great, we can talk, otherwise this place goes the way of TotalRL et al.

a sad day

It has been mentioned not too long ago, don’t feed the trolls ( whoever each of you think they are), there is definitely one double agent but just ignore him/her, please don’t quote the nonsense.

I know what you're saying, but there's not too much moderating going on at the moment. They seem to be enjoying the 'discussions/arguments' as long as it doesn't contain personal abuse.

Please stop berating the Moderators. It is the off season, after all. And moreover at this time it is the holiday season. In any case there is nothing offensive in the posts of Steph Curry, Donnyman, or Jean Capdouze. So just give it a rest please.

So then. Any news on NYC other than a bobble hat ordered from a static supplier site and manufactured to order? Any movement on a shirt sponsor ir new shirt for the wolfpack? Any sightings of Perez in Ottawa curry houses or is he still in Bradford?