If I am reading this correctly some posters are saying that although all clubs knew the rules with regard to the state of play re stadia some are now going to get upset (legal action!) if they have a half built stadium and they are shown the door.
Now seeing as they all knew where they stood who's fault is it if they didnt make this crystal clear to their financial partners?
Or are we now saying that they have decided to pull a fast one on the RFL?

That makes it sound as simple as deciding whether to go out and buy the latest CD by your favourite band. It isn't, and we shoudl be applauding any succesful efforts by clubs, particularly those without soccer clubs involved, who find a way to deliver top class facilities.

I'm sure people will WHEN they do DELIVER which is they key, surely you can understand some doubters? It's not as if some clubs don't have previous? And as you say it's great when clubs make progress on their own so if at a similar stage come franchises would you take Cas as better than yourselves? As far as I am concerned going off thread title no side has done enough as all promised a completed project by now. None have delivered and that's why they are the 'at risk' sides.

So take stadiums out and look at where other sides have invested money team, youth, marketing etc. Who has better finances? That's what clubs will be judged on (adding league placings) for me that puts Salford & Wakey at most risk. And recruitment next season with neither paying for stadium shows Salford have the better potential to push forwards as a club.

Indeed but you knew the rules.
Its no good now bleating because you can't adhere to them.
Let me ask you a few questions.

Who promised a new ground our major improvements on origionally entering SL was it the RFL or Wakefield?

Who on gaining a SL licence last time agreed that they had to have a new stadium ready for the START of the 2012 season was it the RFL or Wakefield?

Who going by some posters on here haven't been crystal clear with their financial partners was it the RFL or Wakefield?

Now looking at that who is ultimately responsible if Wakefield dont get a franchise due to them not getting their stadium built in time?

BTW im not slagging Wakey off in just making a point that if they miss out they cant blame anybody but themselves and any talk of legal action should be laughable because I would hope Wakey will have made sure their partners would know that a uncompleted stadium in Feb 2012 would not be counted.

They can come up to scratch , build a stadium inside the next 7 months and they will be ' up to scratch '

No , I dont want Leigh in a franchised SL , the risk of being stuck to the bottom of a league for 3 years is too great for any club IMO , it almost finished Huddersfield off , they only recovered after relegation and promotion

You dont get it do you , it is the system I dont like or believe in , not the clubs in or out of it

About what , HKR's debts or the poor crowds at Huddersfield ?

HKR start work on the next East stand extension this month adding 1100 to the capacity. Planning amendments have been submitted for the new North Stand.

Isn't this really pathetic.

The GAME!!!!! in this country is struggling to keep up with, at this rate PNG

, and all the arguments are about loo's seats and about attendances.

I will watch the game at any stadium and any playing field BECAUSE THE GAME IS THE KEY SELLING POINT.

Do people not realise this.

Get the primary right first and the rest will follow, but such a concept seems to be beyond people in this country!

Excellent news , hopefully one day all clubs will be as well run as HKR

Fair points - particularly without the context of what the club has had to deal with, in particular the fact that our local authority were the ones who failed on their promise to deliver a stadium last time. In fact the club had an alternative proposal available to it at the time with a commercial partner, but the council convinced us all that they were intent on delivering the Thornes Park proposal and the commercial opportunity was lost.

The issue about being 'crystal clear' is mis-leading as it suggests that information was with-held to those involved - it was not.

FWIW I don't think the issue relates to whether grounds are completed by Feb 2012 as I think we have already established that there will be more than one in that position, it is more to do with clubs having had significant investments made - either private or public - to promote the game we all love only to be told that the business is not open to them due to the 'other issues' (e.g. expansionism etc).

Seriously - if there is no stadium at all, then that is a fail, but there has to be some reflection of just how difficult this all is in these times of austerity. I take my hat off to any club that get a new ground (or significantly improved existing ground) in these times. As for 'how real' these ventures are - bring on Savills, they will determine if the stadia are real or not and will advise the RFL as such.

So how long do we wait then?
2040, perhaps 2100?
Or perhaps the RFL will say 'you know what we are sick of hearing promises, either Savills will confirm your ground will be ready for Feb 2012 or you will be up for selection as the rest of you application isnt very strong'.
As for another point you have made.
If your financial partners kmew the cut off date and then you missed it how can they in anyway even think about taking the RFL to court?

Absolutely , some on here might get the impression I am actually bothered whether Cas,Wakey and salford get their new stadia , I'm not I have enjoyed visiting all their current grounds and all fullfill the requirements of where those clubs currently are in SL and a fair bit of room to fit plenty more in

The point is though that if the RFL come up with all this rubbish , then they have to stick to it , otherwise why bother having rules in the 1 st place

It is a case though of them not considering the actual consequences

A scenario ,lets say that all three clubs had got their new stadiums , but Saints hadn't , who would they have dropped out ?

This is the reason there is no way the RFL can commit to bringing in a Championship club for 2015 , so where does that leave the Championship clubs ?

They are widening the gap , almost on purpose it would seem

Are you being a tad sarcastic there SB I can never tell?

Oh and BTW I hope Wakey do get the stadium ready.

Look at the post and you may see.

What utter ignorant tripe. Barrow are due to post a £1M turnover and made a six figure profit. The club has never in its' 135 year history been in administration. It has fought down the years through good and bad times, to pay all its' debts and hang onto its' own stadium (we all know its' seen better days), but it's ours and is an asset in prime location worth £5M at the last valuation. The Goldrush lottery run by the club turns over £300,000+ a year.

What does 'fit for SL' mean ? Some people have very short memories or know nothing about the history of the sport prior to Super League.

How would Barrow getting into SL set the game backwards ? Widnes have been there before and failed. As have Leigh. As have Halifax. Cas have been up and down - as have Salford. Quins get pathetic crowds and have no assets - Crusaders similar. Huddersfield were a joke in the 80's/early 90's and look at them now.

Barrow has a big catchment area, the area produces many pro players (currently 7 locals playing for Barrow, 9 for Workington, Ade Gardner, Matt Gardner, Oliver Wilkes, Ben Harrison, Peter Lupton) - plus many young players at various SL club academies. This is without Barrow ever having been represented in SL. If that ever happened, the number of players coming through would increase massively.

OK, the king-makers are Red Hall may never let us in, but it won't be for lack of trying. My view is, give us Sky's millions and 3 years grace and see how we go. Many would be surprised believe me.

Not at all , you are spending your own money to improve your stadium's capacity and therefore eventually your ability to become self sustaining in SL , how many other clubs are doing the same ?

Not much of a ' clue ' there really

Or even a year up to test the water , you then either sink or swim ?

SRC if your making that much money why is their talk of not bothering with reserves? Why haven't you stepped up stadium redevelopment? Why isn't their a youth system to capture these youngsters?

At the end of the day that's what will get you into SL. People questioned are figured but at least you can show where it's being used. Surely with this much coming in means you have top class sponsors also and real SL ambitions?

I believe they are a Huddersield fan if that helps.

What you spending your ' million ' profit on ?

Possibly replacing the million you lost the previous year

Are you his agent ?

Fair enough we are trying as you say.