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| Quote ="PHIPPS"Wow...a troll calling a troll a troll.
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Bazza - you came out of your mammy's tuppence trolling, carrying that very same irony meter in your chubby little hands.
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| Quote ="PHIPPS"Wow...a troll calling a troll a troll.
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Yes but everybody knows that Littlerich is just being entertaining , he doesn't take anything seriously , our friendly Leeds fan on the other hand however ?
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| Quote ="PHIPPS"Wow...a troll calling a troll a troll.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes but everybody knows that Littlerich is just being entertaining , he doesn't take anything seriously , our friendly Leeds fan on the other hand however ?'"
The words 'littlerich' and 'entertaining' should NEVER be used in the same post.
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| Quote ="PHIPPS"The words 'littlerich' and 'entertaining' should NEVER be used in the same post.
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Yes Bazza. Toddle off to the NRL forum.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Yes Bazza. Toddle off to the NRL forum.'"
'Bazza'
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| Quote ="a.n Other"when 12 players make a team? Or squad for that instance?'"
sorry? I honestly dont know what you are trying to say here.
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| Quote ="Starbug"The argument was that I suggested that you could potentially take 60/70 percent of a Championship team up to SL with you as HKR did , you suggested they only took up 3 players
So you were WRONG
End of , that bum crack of yours needs a wipe
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I cant believe this is still confusing you. I never suggested they only took up three players. You would need to be quite stupid to believe the statement Quote ="SmokeyTA"
In fact only Murrell, Fisher, and Cockayne featured with any regularity and are still there now.'"
meant they only took up three players. It would be a ridiculous statement for anybody to make. What i clearly said was there was only three (it was in fact 4) players who played regularly for HKA in 2007 and are still their now.
I honestly dont know how such a simple statement managed to confuse so many people.
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| leave littlerich alone, hes a secret viking and as such is under our protection.
thankyou though PHIPPS, you calling littlerich a troll is the funniest thing i have heard in a long while.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I cant believe this is still confusing you. I never suggested they only took up three players. You would need to be quite stupid to believe the statement meant they only took up three players. It would be a ridiculous statement for anybody to make. What i clearly said was there was only three (it was in fact 4) players who played regularly for HKA in 2007 and are still their now.
I honestly dont know how such a simple statement managed to confuse so many people.'"
We've being up 5 years Smokey. The fact we have 4 players that feature regularly after 5 years of being promoted is pretty good. However your changing this argument to suit your needs. Your initial comment was to Rovers only bring a handful of players up from the NL's. You where proved wrong and are now changing your argument to suit your own needs.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I cant believe this is still confusing you. I never suggested they only took up three players. You would need to be quite stupid to believe the statement meant they only took up three players. It would be a ridiculous statement for anybody to make. What i clearly said was there was only three (it was in fact 4) players who played regularly for HKA in 2007 and are still their now.
I honestly dont know how such a simple statement managed to confuse so many people.'"
No , you were wrong , very wrong , AGAIN , you can ' pretend ' all you want , just for once in your miserable bloody boring existence on theses boards admit
YOU WERE WRONG
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| Quote ="Starbug"No , you were wrong , very wrong , AGAIN , you can ' pretend ' all you want , just for once in your miserable bloody boring existence on theses boards admit
YOU WERE WRONG'"
I hope you brought a sleeping bag and a flask, it's gonna be a long wait......................
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| Quote ="Easty"We've being up 5 years Smokey. The fact we have 4 players that feature regularly after 5 years of being promoted is pretty good.'" It isnt really. It isnt good or bad. There is no real positive or negative to it. HKA built a team of semi-pro players to win a semi-pro league, almost universally they exchanged semi-pro players for pro players to compete in a pro league.It is exactly what anyone would expect them to do. Quote However your changing this argument to suit your needs. Your initial comment was to Rovers only bring a handful of players up from the NL's. You where proved wrong and are now changing your argument to suit your own needs.'" I havent changed anything. I have simply repeated exactly what I said. I never said HKR came up with only 3/4 players. I simply listed 12 players who signed for HKR in 2007. The fact you originally read it incorrectly isnt anything to do with me, and the fact I have pointed out your error to you is in fact the opposite of changing my argument, it is restating the orignal argument.
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| Quote ="Starbug"No , you were wrong , very wrong , AGAIN , you can ' pretend ' all you want , just for once in your miserable bloody boring existence on theses boards admit
YOU WERE WRONG'"
Yes, i forgot to include Netherton. Other than that the principle was correct.
Unless you would like to explain to the class what part of this quote Quote ="SmokeyTA"But there is an argument going on, on this very thread, stating there isnt enough players to go around in SL, never mind asking for 30/40% of championship squads to be of SL quality. There simply isnt the players to go around.
as for your example at HKR, they didnt build a team in the championship. For the 2007 season they brought in Vella, Ward, Ford, Bauer, Lovegrove, O'neill, Dyer, Hardman, Lennon, Cooke, Tandy, Gannon, Chester.
In fact only Murrell, Fisher, and Cockayne featured with any regularity and are still there now.'"
made you think I was saying only 3 players played for HKR in 2006 and in 2007? Because I really cant see it.
Unless of course you think it is 2007 now?
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| Nothing new Smokey talking bollax and being owned then backtracking to suit his own agenda
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| Hull Kingston Rovers first choice 13 in 2007 looked something like this:
1. Cockayne
2. Steel
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4. Goddard
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8. Vella
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4/13 who were signed after promotion. I'd say we built that team in the National League.
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| Er, I'm getting a bit confused here - what's slagging off HKR got to do with expanding SL to 15 clubs? Not that I've any objection in principle to slagging off HKR, you understand.
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| Quote ="Easty"
James Webster 24
Ben Fisher 25
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Byron Ford 14
Makali Aizue 19
Gareth Morton 11
Ian Morrison 11
David Tangata-Toa 17
Tommy Gallagher 9
Jon Steele 5 (But he broke his leg which restricted him playing more games).
games.'"
A quick bit of maths reveals these players played 221 games between them , which is exactly half of the available total number of places in a 26 game season , so my suggestion they took up around 60 percent of a club is wrong , out by 10 percent , however it is a lot closer to your suggestion they took up three players
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| Quote ="The Chronicler of Chiswic"Er, I'm getting a bit confused here - what's slagging off HKR got to do with expanding SL to 15 clubs? Not that I've any objection in principle to slagging off HKR, you understand.'"
It's called ' thread drift ' , it's what happens when Smokey makes completely inaccurate claims and is then proved wrong , again
To save you reading through it all the ' drift ' came about because I claimed that it was possible to build the bulk of a team in the Championships to take up to SL with P and R , and others suggested it wasn't , I then used HKR s 2006/07 squad as an example , Smokey disagreed
Interestingly enough I would say the same applies to a fan base , much easier to build one with P and R in the Championship , than with licencing , as a supporter of a club that can't manage to build one in SL either way , what's you opinion on that ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It isnt really. It isnt good or bad. There is no real positive or negative to it. HKA built a team of semi-pro players to win a semi-pro league, almost universally they exchanged semi-pro players for pro players to compete in a pro league.'"
HKR were full time professionals in the season they got promoted. Along with Widnes and Leigh that year if I am not mistaken. So, here's where you change the definition of what you meant by pro players now Smokey, to make it fit your argument after you have been proved to be incorrect.....again.
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| You are correct Rovers were FT for season 2006.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"You are correct Rovers were FT for season 2006.
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As were Leigh , players who moved on from us that year to SL were Scott Grix , after one season at Widnes , Ricky Bibey , Richard Moore , eventually Aaron Heremaia , made it to the NRL with the Warriors
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| Quote ="Starbug"A quick bit of maths reveals these players played 221 games between them , which is exactly half of the available total number of places in a 26 game season , so my suggestion they took up around 60 percent of a club is wrong , out by 10 percent , however it is a lot closer to your suggestion they took up three players
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Is there a reason you think hull kr played fewer games than everyone else in 2007?
its funny that you are so desperate for me to be wrong that you have completely invented something i said just so you can pretend it is true?
its almost sweet in a way.
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"Hull Kingston Rovers first choice 13 in 2007 looked something like this:
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2. Steel
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4. Goddard
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6. Murrell
7. Webster
8. Vella
9. Fisher
10. Tangata-Toa
11. Netherton
12. O'Neil
13. Cooke
4/13 who were signed after promotion. I'd say we built that team in the National League.'"
that simply cant be true,
of the players who were signed for 2007,
Cooke played 13 of 14 games he was available for, ward played 20 of 27, o'neill 20 of 27, Gannon played 23, vella played 22, Dyer played 26, Bauer 12, Hardman 20, Lennon 15, Chester 21, Tandy 12 (of 13) Lovegrove 9,
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