All this cosmetic stuff, name changes, number of teams, format etc etc it's all bollox.

In its current guise, the clubs should be doing better than they are. It's live-action sport, rough and tumble, very affordable, family friendly. If you can't market that then it doesn't matter what cosmetic changes you make to the competition, it'll still have the same issues, nor will it change the fact the quality of the competition is poor and that's down to a poor player pool.

So, where do we find the pool of better players ?

We could develop our own, which would require a huge lift in the numbers of juniors, which will eventually glean more players or, we can try and plunder either The NRL or Union, maybe American Football but, that will take more cash than anyone is willing to invest in RL.

Pukey- Why would thousands of kids want to get involved knowing that when they are old enough they would be binned in favour of yet another Aussie?

Heard a podcast,a few months ago.New rugby league fan,in Australia.hosting Phil Caplan.
Amongst the discussion was the fact that RUGBY has been monopolised by the other code.
A change of name is required.
In 1895,of course,the name RUGBY did not feature,it became Northern Union.
As folk can,apparently tell the difference between,netball,basketball and football,the notion that LEAGUEBALL should replace rugby league/Super League,did it for me.
The clubs hardly call themselves RLFC,anymore.
Scrums may not come back.
The sport needs a new,younger audience.
Leagueball may be the way to go.

Because no one grows up wanting to be the next Stefan ratchford.

Look at football. How many kids wear a football shirt with Henderson on the back? None, it’s always the foreign players they aspire to be.

Mike Coleman can save rugby league in this country. He’s like the abramovic of rugby league. It’s time the haves stop being held back by the have nots

Not sure what Ratchford has to do with anything (apart from the fact he plays for Wire) and the reason kids don't want a
Henderson shirt is because he's no good, not because he's English. But you seem to be missing my point. In your fantasy world Saints would have a full team of Antipodeans so where is the progression opportunity for young kids?
P.S. I wont be reacting to your next response as you are talking as usual and life's too short.

In your haste to have a cheap pop you’ve completely missed my whole point. But I wouldn’t expect anything less from a wolfs fan.

I will give you a clue. The reason the pathway is so hard at the moment is because grassroots is on its arris. We need to get more kids playing the game so we have a better chance of producing quality English players. To do that we need to raise the profile of the game. We won’t do that with a league of ratchfords and Paul mcshanes now will we?

Can't believe I'm kinda agreeing with Poky, but . . .

More money in the sport, equals,
Players getting paid more, which equals,
Better players in the competition, which equals,
A much better product and higher wages, which equals
More people wanting to play RL, which equals
Much better English players.

There are no benefits to a salary cap.
Makes the competition fairer? Only 4 winners in 25 years
Stops clubs going bust? We know that's not true

Get rid.

Salary cap holds the game back

Sponsors/investors don't wanna invest in a sport with a limited income

International game is what needs to improve look at cricket and yawnion their club crowds are poor really

12 teams no one cares about Salford v Wakefield in a 2,000 battle

Go to 10 teams and get a better international game

All these teams have proved they average 5k+ none of the 2k crap

FC
Saints
Leeds
Wigan
Warrington
Catalan
Cas
Rovers
Bradford
Toronto

Getting rid of Toronto is why the game is on its death bed...the only team who can bring headlines and proper investors and potential global worldwide growth were thrown out for a 3k minnow outside of Wigan



Toronto got 7k in league 1 not a single SL team would average 7k in league 1

1. So how do we do that?

2. We didn't get rid of them their investor ran up £30M of debt and walked away

3. Nobody paid though hence he ran up a £30M debt.

Beats only one winner every year but you may not be old enough to remember Wigan's tedious domination of every competition(s), when crowds were far lower than they are now.

Cheap pop meets cheap pop

Surely FC’s average should be 10k? Given your example of Toronto!

You do remember that Toronto went bust trying to "chase the SL dream".
Nobody can deny that they did exceptionally well in marketing and promoting the game but, ultimately, they blew several million dollars in just a few short seasons and those that believe in a transatlantic league, especially mid pandemic, need to have a lie down in a dark room.
Totally agree about the international game, which is being hampered by the insular view of the NRL, who, just aint bothered about the rest of the game.
The stunt that they have pulled regarding the world cup is just appalling.

1. They didn't go bust their benefactor who was and still is a billionaire as his Brazilian Potash mines never stopped working, decided to just pack it in on a whim caused by Melbourn Storm looking like they may let him take a stake.

2. They didn't market or promote the game at all. They promoted a big beer festival on every matchday and gave away free tickets and left gates open, then made up the attendances.

3 Several Millions? It was $$30 Million they blew

4. What's new? everyone has an idea of what they would do that would see half of Britain turning to Superleague. that's because dreams are more fun than reality.

on resumption of the game after the first world war these clubs were prominent . Leeds, Hull, Oldham, Rochdale, Warrington. Wigan, Bradford, Wakefield, HKR, Huddersfield, Widnes, York, Dewsbury, Batley, Halifax keighley, Salford, Leigh, St.Helens, Swinton, Batley etc etc ,

When the clubs meet in August to decide the TV money some of these clubs may finally disappear....

But "how to make the game grow like mad" posts will never disappear, and I'm not trolling either

Got to be another wind up

I LOVE this types of threads.

Let’s sprinkle some glitter on the game and it will rake in MILLIONS…

Someone above suggesting we TRICK fans into watching the game in hope they enjoy it. Yes sure that will work they won’t realise they are watching rugby league and will fall in love….

Re brands and mergers… just because you re brand it liverpool surely means ALL of liverpool will turn up. I mean that’s the only reason they aren’t going at the moment because the name ‘st Helens’ puts them off …..

Do us Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield fans go support Leeds when are teams are thrown to the side?

joke of the week that pal

We don't need a rebrand but a 10 year plan to

1 increase teams in super League to 16

2 reduce clubs reliance on TV money

4 negotiate a better deal with sky or sell fixtures in packages to multiple broadcasters

5 significantly increase or scrap the cap.

6 strip back the rules, stop the interpretations and overcomplicating of rules.

Bradford were only relevant between 1997 and 2004 so all the other years, Bradford residents supported Leeds

Increase teams to 16 lmao.

I mean Bradford were super league winners in 2005 but ok.

Im sure if you looked at attendance figures you would see how untrue your statement was but I see you’ve already earned a reputation on here. I’m sure you disappear and a new name will pop up soon enough.

This is the classic thinking though. In line with ‘let’s merge wakey and Cas together and double the crowd… im sure both set of fans will still turn up regardless’. Just doesn’t work my friend. Like it or not most fans support their team rather than the wider game. A similar story for chairman. The problem is the chairman run the game so it’s a game of protect what you’ve got now.

Edit - Double post

Best post yet.
We've got the "product" and we've got the clubs already in place (OK, some not in the rudest of health atm). We need a plan that's focussed on making what we've already got work and flourish not some half baked idea that consign half our clubs to the bin.

I should have just left it there bud. It proved your point perfectly.