I need clarification...

are you Racist or Xenophobic?

not sure which suits you best?

Dont see where your going Underground he isnt either in my eyes he has made quite clear it is not the players he has a problem with but the number of them... maybe you can try to taker the higher ground in another way

If players are legally plying their trade there should be no whinging!

If Stosic obtains the passport (which he is legally entiled to by birthright) then he fits a category which legally allows him to ply his trade... if the application is further delayed he falls into a category where Wakefield are full on the quota... and Wakefield will not employ him, that is the agreement between the club and the player.

I am of the opinion that there is an issue here which (IMO) directly translates to " I dont have problem with Pakistanis/ Chinese/ Tibenan/ Macedonian/ Australian/ Indonesian/ Kenyan/ American but there are far to many of them in the country!" - that is racist, probably drawn from a xenophobic ethos, it implicitly and explicitly encourages discrimination against people based on their ethnic origin!

The poster seems to accept that clubs are acting within the law to employ the best players available... yet he still epouses that the club(s) are at fault for employing overseas employees, where that employment is legal I maintain the comments to be racist!

If there are players who are illegally plying their trade... as i the Celtic players, then appropriate action is necessary.

Don't talk cr*p underground. It's nothing to do with the nationality of individual players. It's to do with signing, en masse players who aren't that good but are keeping young players out of a side for the sake of - for most sides - one or two extra wins a year. I like most fans love to see the best players - from wherever they may be - playing for my team. What I don't want is a bunch of 'never weres' cluttering up the place.

Gosh your desperation is showing.



Resorting to accusations of racism and twisting and turning to justify your banalities when other challenge you




A discussion of your 10/11 non fed trained versus most clubs with around 7 and all you can offer is a babyish attempt at playing the race card. Clearly you are spent.

Let's get back to RL.

Still having 10 non feds + hoping for Stosic to become a macedonian national + flying Winterstein across the world for 5 SL games (while good locals are 'shipped out') it is poor. sadly too many wakey fans seek to justify it.

your intelligence exceeds my expectation... well done!

Just to state... I think Marsden is just an old troll who has little more than mischief as his goal.. hence my response... I do not think he is malicious , just annoying! I apologise if anyone else took offence at my response... unfortunately he saw through it!


however...On the theme of imported players... I grew up watching trinity from the early 1970s... when it was commonplace for all top rugby league teams to regularly scour the 'amateur' sport of rugby union for players...

Indeed some of my favourite Trinity players of all time never played the game until their 20s (and perhaps... had the RU been openly professional... may never had played the game at all)

I am of the opinion that we are still (the game as a whole) are just as good (if not better) than we ever were at producing young talent, however that talent is now supported by Australian RL imports rather than imports from Rugby Union...

I clearly remember young hopefuls in the trinity ranks being pushed out by Mike Lampkowski, Keith Smith, Brian Juliff, Steve Diamond et al

I remember the trophy winning Salford side of the 70s being chock full of ex RU internationals... with just a smattering of [iOLD HEAD[/i RL talent.

I also remember the overseas ban in the late 70s which resulted in us falling so far behind the Australian game that we have never recovered...

So... Do old habits die hard?

Is it that we value the short term success (viability) of our teams greater than the overall good of the game in the UK?

Are we just a minority sport trying our damnest to survive in an ever declining marketplace?

Are any of us really altruistic enough to care a jot about the sport, or other clubs, when it clashes with the needs of our own club?

Things is, whilst no fan of filling SL with non England eligible players:

1. It only affects the national team which only reflects in a couple of games a year
2. Ultimately most people care more about their clubs than their national team
3. Often players you would class as no name roster fillers turn out to be great servants to the club and a fan favourite.

Don't know what the answer is beyond clubs and fans being altruistic enough to give up a large chunk of the Sky money to allow the RFL to fund jnr development and marketing of the game properly and thereby having more English talent to choose from.

So after all that are you apologising to Marsden for directly calling them a racist or xenaphobe or are you apologising to everyone who saw it for what it was





because how i see it its not me or others who took exception to the post who needs the apology.

Indeed, and were it not for Wigan, Huddersfield may just have found themselves going down the road Wakefield are doing so now.

Really



We have signed 3 players directly from Wigan. (others may have started there but been through several clubs).

Last season wakey had 3 players signed directly from Leigh (Moore / Bibey / Henderson) and 3 directly from Huddersfield (George, Drew , Snitch). I assume if it was not for Leigh and Huddersfield your club would resort to fielding only overseas players? HTH

I am suprised you can remember your science teacher tigerman eleven, dont you ever stop to think what you might have achieved if you had taken more notice at school. How is the brick hunting going for the new ground btw, have you found one yet?

Not a lot wrong with my grammar Nellie my dear, and as for your brother in arms tiggerman eleven he wouldnt know an apostrophe if it hit him on the head. Since you brought the subject up sweetheart I thought that I would remind you of a classic post of yours above

Thats the problem when you go on your pc after one of those popular toe curling nights out in downtown Marsden which they are allegedly famous for. On reflection, though I think that though your spelling leaves a lot to be desired you do seem to make a lot more sense, something for you to ponder over there old lass

My comment to you was a reference to turfedout being pompous about grammar. I do not give a monkeys that you use apostrophes 3 times when they are not needed. Nor that you used 'here' when the correct word was 'hear'. I understood what you meant. On the whole I have little time for dullards who want to discuss grammar on a RL forum. That you feel the need to reproduce an old post of mine in a child like attempt to take a pop at me is genuinely endearing



Your rambling post has no RL content. Do you have difficulty with the subject? Many wakey posters on here would seem to share your 'need' to comment on me rather than RL.



This thread is on wakey's continued over reliance on non fed trained players and their embarrassing desire to get a player a macedonian passport. HTH

And you were discussing......



Dullard - correct!

Replying to a post directly. Not bringing it up instead of RL.

Dissapointing that a poster like you comes on here to make a cheap pop.
However you are the umpteenth wakey poster who has nothing to say on rugby. there are plenty of insults by wakey posters, even amatuer psychology and accusations of racism. Clearly RL issues are of limited interest to wakey fans.

i will keep trying to focus on RL.

Your comments to me was another obvious attempt at trying to cause trouble, if you feel that you are incapable of putting your point across without having to include somebody whose is only guilty of replying to the troublemaking you seem to excel in then you are indeed to coin a well known phrase of yours spent



If you do not give a monkeys about my grammar then why bring it up? The reason that I brought your old post up was to show just what a hypocrite you really are, you are the dullard that wanted to discuss the grammar bit not me, I merely pointed out that your not all you seem to be yourself.

Incidentally it would seem that you prerfer not to comment about your spelling and misuse of full stops your getting so boring now Nellie your so predictable, have a biscuit hth.

Funny thing is... I can't see anything remotely RL related in your post?







Just give it a rest eh?

What, no? Oh there's a suprise!

What I find quite ironic is that the OP's club has by my reckoning 8 players themselves who are classed as quota, non-fed or exempt

Brett Hodgson
Lolesi
Whaturia
Drew
Fa'algo (sp)
Faiumu
Finnegan (think he is still there)
Korkidas (who is a Hudds player afterall)

Consequently if we take away Korkidas and Stosic from the Wakey list, we have 9 and the Giants have 8 !!!

So, does Wigan count or not?

1 Richard Mathers
2 Amos Roberts
3 Darrell Goulding
4 George Carmont
5 Pat Richards
6 Tim Smith
7 Thomas Leuluai
8 Stuart Fielden
9 Mark Riddell
10 Iafeta Paleaaesina
11 Gareth Hock
12 Phil Bailey
13 Sean O'Loughlin
14 Joel Tomkins
15 Andy Coley
16 Harrison Hansen
17 Michael McIlorum
19 Paul Prescott
20 Karl Pryce
21 Cameron Phelps
22 Martin Gleeson
23 Eamon O Carroll
24 Lee Mossop
25 Sam Tomkins
26 Mark Flanagan
27 Liam Farrell
28 Shaun Ainscough
29 Ben Davies
30 Chris Tuson
31 Ian Thornley

Give her time to put her knitting down, I'm sure she will have a perfectly rational excuse

Good point, JT.

The Wakefield board should be applauded for their efforts in trying to secure a Macedonian passport for James Stosic. Having a Macedonian plying his trade at the highest level of rugby league in the northern hemisphere can only be good for promoting interest in the game in Macedonia, and the international game as a whole.

If we ever do see a truly European Super League, it will be thanks to forward-thinking, pro-expansionist clubs like Wakefield who have had the courage to ignore the ridicule of the cave-dwelling little Englanders and expand the frontiers of the game.

A strong Super League (Europe) needs a strong Macedonia!

Good luck with the passport application James.

Another wakey fan with nothing to say about RL.

Do try and learn the rules about players on one year loans then you will not make this simple mistake. HTH

The licences should make it easier for clubs to get their quota + non fed to 6. Despite this wakey continue to chase a macedonian passport. They hold onto journeyman exemptions. This is the approach of your club, maintained over several years. Bringing Winterstein over for 5 SL games while Pitts and Bibb were farmed out demonstrates the wakey approach.

You said the RFL were 'pleased with' your academy development. Then you may also know what the RFL think about so many non fed players in a squad.