I'm going out on a limb here......


Maybe the standard of the British game is dropping like a stone because British players and coaches are bad and getting worse.



Just throwing that out there.

The SC is there to force clubs to improve themselves off field and remove the temptation to over spend on field

The same applies to the removal of P and R both to SL clubs and Championship clubs

To argue for one but against the other is both stupid and hypocritical

Then again we already know that

Would they have got it right if they spent all of their money on buying players rather than putting it into their infrastructure? Buying in players and paying high wages is a shortcut to actually developing them. Saints and Leeds have got it right because they HAD to in order to compete. They wouldn't have to if it was about the cheque-book.


Yes it does as it forces clubs to develop players, therefore improving the talent pool, which in essence will improve the standards and quality of the league.

Has it changed?

Why?

This seems to be the fundamental issue here. Why does paying a player more make them a better player?

I've already answered this

Exactly! Therefore your post is biased, selective and represented only your own prejudices.

Edited: (for the purpose of dealing the with actual reality)

no, leeds and saints made a decision to put faith in developing players, most of this current leeds squad who came through the academy will have been at leeds prior to the sc being in place, the infrastructure was already there,

and what your describing isnt a difference between and SC and a none-SC world, but the difference between a well run business and a poorly run one, and neither Leeds nor Saints were running a wage bill higher than what the SC is prior to it being in place, to credit it with somehow stopping them spending more is nonesense, only wigan were spending more, and still werent overly succesful which is why only wigan got a dispensation for the first couple of years of the SC


where is the evidence? when there is more overseas players in this country post SC than Pre SC? when you yourself have started this thread saying you think the quality is falling? the SC has been in place for ten years, throughout than ten years fewer british youngsters have been developed to elite level than prior to SC, and the standard according to you (which i agree with) is falling these things seem entirely contradictory

so then why isnt the SC based on what is affordable rather than an arbitrary amount which has barely changed in ten years?

3 SLs, 4 GFs, 2 WCCs, record crowds, a record points total, a record winning margin for the league, says yes, fortunately it has

it doesnt, the part you quoted specifically says it doesnt, though as has been explained having more players, of better quality costs more, paying him more doesnt make him better, but for more money, you can get better, its fairly simple

a player will always seek his worth, thats his right, so a young hooker comes through an academy, makes the breakthrough and becomes a first team regular will rightly expect a pay rise to a level commensurate with his talent, he may be the best hooker in the country, if there isnt the space under the cap to make him the best paid hooker in the country, he either has to accept a wage lower than he rightly deserves, or he has to move making the team which nurtured him and invested in him worse than if they had kept him, they then need to replace him, but there isnt another hooker of his talent, so they then have to pick up another hooker who is either experienced but so poor he would accept the wage of a young hooker on the fringes, or another young hooker, who wasnt quite as good as his colleague who has just left, or you are expecting clubs to somehow bring through another top quality young hooker, who they will lose again in a couple of years or they will need to lose somebody else to keep him

whilstever a club is looking at an either/or choice then they arent improving to the level they could have

it is neither selective nor biased nor predjudiced it simply dealt with the two examples in the post I quoted

Your paranoia and over-sensitivity does you no favours, especially considering who long you spend arguing widnes fans aren't bitter paranoid conspiracy theorists, posts like this are pretty counter-productive

But to address the point you were too bitter and paranoid of an anti widnes conspiracy to phrase properly, it doesn't matter what had gone before, we shouldn't be giving licenses in the franchise era to clubs run by people we can't trust to run their businesses responsibly,

So you are complaing because a club produces a decent player and then loses them because another club is willing to pay them more money

Boo bloody hoo , and you keep going on about non SL clubs should be spending more money to produce potential SL players

Leeds have outibid ' smaller ' clubs for decades , now you will know how it feels to find some good young talent that you have produced taken from you for no recompense

no, once again you have confused yourself
i have no problem with losing a player to a club willing to pay more

my issue is with arbitrarily stopping clubs offering what they are both willing and able

TOUGH



Get over it those are the rules , if you dont like them F*** off to RU

Oh yes you did , and you didn't get what you wanted there either did you

awww, you having another 'senior moment'

You,re the ' grumpy owd git here pal

As I said TOUGH live with it

im very happy, just no idea what you're on about with union

rules change fortunately

No it doesn't. It would without a salary cap but the cap fixes this problem. It allows clubs to have more players of better quality without having increased salary costs.

or sign an inferior player on less money

the only way the sc would work like you think is if all players were paid the same

So where does the player go in his quest for more money Smokey?

another sl club or union generally

Going to another SL club

just what we want.
going to union.....not seeing a lot of that

no, it really isnt, that simply spreads what talent we do have, thinner, with everyone getting more and more average which will be terrible for the game

what we want is more clubs producing more quality, THAT is what will bring us a truly competitive sport, the idea the sc will is nonsense

theres a few players going, and when you are producing as few as we are its a problem

Or he gives up or isn't even motivated to work hard enough in the first place because earning a pittance as a young player isn't very attractive.... and the pro-SC muppets wonder why we have so little talent coming through....