Ahh ok, seems like you have changed your tune then - as you posted this before?

No he only means the favoured teams, like just one team to get help. Every team playing under different, preferential rules devalues the Championship competition. How would the SL teams react if Quinns and Crusaders were given a higher salary cap and a 10 quota player limit. I think we all know the answer. It would be dependant on the 'incentives' offered for voting those rules in. No incentives and they would be up in arms, well they would be but they would probably be threatened with a reduction in funding if they made public their disquiet. I am sure all SL fans would accept this and say the attendance of 15000 for a SL GF between the two was excellent.

It seems that there is no question that rugby is a credible sport. While it is a rough sport, it does require personal skill and lots of physical energy. I can not imagine why people would say that it is not a credible sport. What do you guys think?

Yes, because they would now be getting something in return.

what a ridiculous argument.

You may also want to check the dispensation already available to Crusaders and look at the reaction.

What would they be getting from it whilst a team is in the CC?

We have to get away from the mentality that TV income, as well as other income is SL club money. It is RFL monwy and they should spend it in the most appropriate ways. Yes majority is paid to show 2 SL games a week but that doesn;t make it club money, imo.

It's called investing. If that team is coming into SL, it makes sense to invest in them to make sure they actually add to it when they do come up. I can see his point.

People are just trying to find fault with anything he says just because of who he is and his opinions on other things, it seems. His opinion there does not contradict the other quote.

What would be the point in SL investing in someone like Dewsbury when they are showing no real signs of ever being in that competition? A successful addition to the SL will bring in more money, so yes SL chairmen will get something back from it.

I dont care who he is and I didnt mention that his quote contradicts the other one, i said he has changed his tune. Which he has. Do you honestly think that any SL chairmen would give up a percentage of their major revenue to help a team that isnt playing in their league yet? In an ideal world i would agree with you - but it will never ever happen.

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Yes, depending on how they go about doing it. It would benefit SL chairmen to have a stronger league. They'd get more money, which they could invest part of in a new team, that could add to the league, that could get them more money, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the near future, or even after the next contract meeting. At the end of the day, we've only just begun licensing. You couldn't invest in the team coming up before as you didn't know who they would be and how long they'd be here.

If a certain amount of the SL money was put aside to assist a new SL club (and also to assist a SL club being relegated), it would improve the quality of the competition in the long run.

So Leigh get the nod in 2015 - SL chairmen would give over part of their major income to help them out til they get into SL?

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Yes, depending on how they go about doing it. It would benefit SL chairmen to have a stronger league. They'd get more money, which they could invest part of in a new team, that could add to the league, that could get them more money, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the near future, or even after the next contract meeting. At the end of the day, we've only just begun licensing. You couldn't invest in the team coming up before as you didn't know who they would be and how long they'd be here.

If a certain amount of the SL money was put aside to assist a new SL club (=#FF0000:1uyioy6yand also to assist a SL club being relegated

Now you are having a laugh

No. To help them prepare for SL.

90 % of the preparation to enter SL is to become full time with regards playing and coaching staff , can you explain how this would not impact unfairly upon the other clubs in the Championship and adversly affect the competitiveness we currently have ?

Please don't Smokey

Because you dont need to go entirely full time.

The aim isnt to be an SL club in the championships but to build towards SL.

To give clubs two or three years to scout youngsters, to give them experience, to give them a full time coaching enviroment, to give an opportunity to a few diamonds in the rough. Maybe give shot to a few lads like Rory Kettlewell.

A squad of 6 or 7 youngsters with the potential to be SL players in the next few years, 5 or 6 diamonds in the rough who in a full time environment may be able to jump to SL and 5 or 6 players like Kettlewell with the rest of the squad filled with part time players would neither dominate the league nor be relegated.

Its likely that not all 18 players mentioned there will be good enough to make the jump, but if 50% are we have basically hit the jackpot.

and also 90% of the preparation shouldnt be on the field, if it is then the club hasnt prepared properly. by selling the sponsorship/corporates/advertising over 2/3 years rather than strying to do it in 6 months done correctly you will sell more of the ssame thing at a higher price.

It also gives you 2/3 years to build interest in SL, you have basically 2/3 years to sell your season tickets for that first year.

i thought you had gone

Yes you do , history tells us that to be competitive in your 1 st season in SL you stand a better chance if you are already full time in the lower tier , also operating half and half doesn't work in the Championships [ Widnes,Leigh and others have tried it , it doesn't work

Scout youngsters ? , from where exactly ? SL clubs ? , other Championship clubs ? , will these clubs release these players ? or are you suggesting clubs own juniors ?

So you are suggesting 18 full time players ? , fairly close to a full time squad would you not say , these 18 players are going to cost more than the Championship salary cap if you want to put some experience with them

Have you ever tried selling sponsorship/corporate outside SL , then answer is usually the same " Ring us when you are in " , this was the answer to Leigh when we approached Emirates airlines in 2003 , in 2005 they sponsored us , in 2006 they declined , so you can do all the contacting you want anyway , clubs are doing that all the time already , but the answer will always be ' when you are in , we will decide then

Sell your season tickets

, are you suggesting people will pay two years early for them ? , no you are not , but neither do you need two years to explain to somebody that you are going up to SL , a most idiotic statement for you to make

You are grasping at straws again

If you are suggesting that a club will employ people to do basically nothing for two years until they are needed just to ' prepare '

I think I'm going to cry

So begins ANOTHER Smokey v Starbug 'who can be the most wrong' thread...

copying a joke off Wellsy13



its a good job you are going home, you cant even troll on your own anymore.

I know.

I thought it was time someone else repeated it seeing as the message didn't seem to be sinking in

Widnes and Leigh had different aims to what we would have in this context.

from the same places everyone else scouts juniors, and hopefully some good an innovative places aswell.
maybe so. But not by a huge amount.

Then you can say, well we are in, we start in a year on this date, or in two years on this date.
no, im suggesting it takes a lot more than simply taking orders to actually sell things. Im saying that two years of building interest for an SL club, advertising an SL club etc..... for two years will sell more tickets than doing it in 6months.

maybe this type of thinking and sheer inability to prepare or even know how to prepare for the future is the reason so many clubs in the lower leagues are struggling.

yet people keep telling you to go away, and it still doesnt sink in. I feel for you.

Dry your eyes champ

I'm going tomorrow!!







Well... hopefully... it's touch and go right now with these planes & the poms failing to keep Heathrows runways snow free

Explain ?




And the difference is what ? we would have more money to offer them ? we could afford a transfer fee ? , it would be just the same as having dual reg players , you would only get the players that suited the SL clubs to give you , not the best prospects




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