I think Man of Steal is more apt these days. Our very own Lomax was in the short list of 3 but the likes of his mates Walmsley, Coote, Knowles and Welsby played better than him over the whole season.

But they are NOT the man of steel and Sam is accept it he is undeniably the best player not any saints players.

Pretty sure that started in 2007

Not a bad bit of business though, I can't imagine any of the other super league teams who wouldn't want to sign him.

Putting the awful fishing attempt to one side, it is a great signing. There will be a few things acting as a hurdle to go to the NRL at the moment, COVID being one obviously, but Bateman, Williams and Thompson will have left a sour taste.

Fishing? Name a better player than Knowles (Other than Walmsley), I'll wait.

So is Knowles "undeniably" the best player in Super League or not?

Your tune seems to have changed to him not even being the best player at Saints (he isn't) let alone the league.

Sam is still the man of steel so he must be the best player in superleague not Knowles who is not as good as Walmsley but arguably the best player ,go figure that one out.

If you put Sam into the Saints team he wouldn’t win the title Man of Steal, he would game after game share those MOS points amongst 4 or 5 other quality Saints players.
You could say he is the best player for Catalans in most games hence his points accrual, still a very talented rugby player though.

Great news for the back to back to back champions. He had offers from a number of top NRL teams so I can only assume recently starting a family swung it in favour of St Helens.

Easily the best 13 in SL. It’s not even close

best 13 probably best player no as voted at the man of steel.

Not sure the MOS is always a good indication of the best player in the league, Jordan Abdull isn't in the top 5 for example, but Sam would be up there if you were doing a list.

Knowles is probably the best 13 as our resident troll says, but he certainly isn't the best player.

The MOS is a joke these days.

Abdull was a good shout also thought Connor would have had a chance as well.

The problem with the award is that the points are a bit lob sided to a winning team, Abdull and Connor have played their socks off in teams that have struggled at times and have lost 50% of their games and most of the max MOS points have gone to the winning side.

Tomkins is a very talented player in a side that have won most of their games and doesn't have any consistent challengers in his own team. As I mentioned earlier in the thread our Lomax got in the top 3 (MOS) but sometimes couldn't pick up maximum points because quite often Coote, Knowles, Walmsley, Welsby, Roby etc would take points off him.

so lets get rid of the man of steel but keep it if it is a saints player.

Best player in the world. Easily.

He’s right in what he’s saying. It’s easy for a half decent player to stand out in a garbage team and wrack up MOS points.

For example. Abdul finished as supposedly one of the top 5 players in SL. He’s not even on the top 13 best St Helens players.

That’s how flawed it is

I’m glad you think so

“ He’s not even on the top 13 best St Helens players. ”
What does that even mean for a HULL KR player super troll?

that means if you dont play for stains you dont count,now that Coote doesnt play for them he automatically will not make the top 13 players for saints as a given

Exactly. What a brain dead bunch they truly are…

They are so up their own s it is laughable

No, you are completely missing the point. When Coote plays for Hull KR next season he will have a far better chance of winning the MOS than when he was at Saints, he is a class player and most likely be better than most players in the Hull KR squad so will probably pick up a lot of points.

Another case in point, Leeds dominated Superleague between 2007-2012 but I don’t think they ever won the MOS in that period they had so many good players all taking points of each other. This is the point I,m trying to make, I don’t think it’s all that difficult to understand.

It’s ok to hate St Helens because they have won more grand finals in the past 12 months than Warrington ever have, or ever will.

IIRC the MOS scoring system didn't become the current points based system until 2019. Think it was player nominated mainly before that.