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| Quote ="Wigg'n"I thought I saw Man Utd saying they would?'"
They are yes. They can afford it. Others won't be able to.
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| Quote ="hengirl"How they’d just have to budget better for it,the clubs will hopefully know their fan base is suffering too,they’re duty bound to offer a cut in price as compensation,they are a business not a charity after all'"
Would lose money because they would not get as much money in from season tickets if they reduced the cost by any missed games this year. By budget better do you mean buy a lesser quality of player? Which then gives people another stick to beat IFL with because he isnt signing top players? I just don't get why anyone who has already paid there money out months ago would ask for it back? Like i posted before i understand the ones paying on the drip might not want to continue there monthly payments but am pretty sure they will be legally bound to do so. I am sure the club will offer something back, personally if i was the club i would offer everyone a voucher for the shop,say £100 voucher, that way then the club don't lose as much but the fans gain something.
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| Quote ="JonnyBroad"Would lose money because they would not get as much money in from season tickets if they reduced the cost by any missed games this year. By budget better do you mean buy a lesser quality of player? Which then gives people another stick to beat IFL with because he isnt signing top players? I just don't get why anyone who has already paid there money out months ago would ask for it back? Like i posted before i understand the ones paying on the drip might not want to continue there monthly payments but am pretty sure they will be legally bound to do so. I am sure the club will offer something back, personally if i was the club i would offer everyone a voucher for the shop,say £100 voucher, that way then the club don't lose as much but the fans gain something.'"
If the club didn't do anything then there is a chance that they will lose a lot more money as fans would feel as they were being conned (again) and ultimately not buy a season ticket for next year. Hopefully none of this matters though and we get to see all the games being played albeit by an extension to the season, who knows we might get a Wigan v Saints boxing day match yet
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| Quote ="hatty"Quote ="JonnyBroad"Would lose money because they would not get as much money in from season tickets if they reduced the cost by any missed games this year. By budget better do you mean buy a lesser quality of player? Which then gives people another stick to beat IFL with because he isnt signing top players? I just don't get why anyone who has already paid there money out months ago would ask for it back? Like i posted before i understand the ones paying on the drip might not want to continue there monthly payments but am pretty sure they will be legally bound to do so. I am sure the club will offer something back, personally if i was the club i would offer everyone a voucher for the shop,say £100 voucher, that way then the club don't lose as much but the fans gain something.'"
If the club didn't do anything then there is a chance that they will lose a lot more money as fans would feel as they were being conned (again) and ultimately not buy a season ticket for next year. Hopefully none of this matters though and we get to see all the games being played albeit by an extension to the season, who knows we might get a Wigan v Saints boxing day match yet
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I'm not going to comment on the issue regarding season tickets and people wanting mo ey back etc.
Every club, every season ticket holder, every situation is different and there will boots of difficult decisions to be made moving forward.
But what I will.comment on is the statement
"If the club didn't do anything then there is a chance that they will lose a lot more money as fans would feel as they were being conned (again) "
Conned again?
I know this is going to turn into a long thread and my reply will not help, but please, do you really mean that?
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| I haven't "lost" money. I have paid for something which I might not get, the money has already gone and the club need it more than me.
I'd rather sacrifice a couple of hundred quid and still have the club around in years to come than any other scenario, each to their own though.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"I'm not going to comment on the issue regarding season tickets and people wanting mo ey back etc.
Every club, every season ticket holder, every situation is different and there will boots of difficult decisions to be made moving forward.
But what I will.comment on is the statement
"If the club didn't do anything then there is a chance that they will lose a lot more money as fans would feel as they were being conned (again) "
Conned again?
I know this is going to turn into a long thread and my reply will not help, but please, do you really mean that?'"
You know what, my plan worked a treat and that’s all I will say on the matter.
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| Quote ="hatty"You know what, my plan worked a treat and that’s all I will say on the matter.'"
Well done
You must be so proud
I'll know from now on that anything you post you dont really mean
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| Who ever does what in the long run the club is going to loose money big time . What worries me is this weeks paper headlines that Quins would be willing to pay big money for Jackson Hastings will be music to Mr Lennigans ears as NRL clubs might not be in a position to splash the cash for a good while . The books need to be balanced some way .
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| Quote ="Jukesays"I'm not going to comment on the issue regarding season tickets and people wanting mo ey back etc.
Every club, every season ticket holder, every situation is different and there will boots of difficult decisions to be made moving forward.
But what I will.comment on is the statement
"If the club didn't do anything then there is a chance that they will lose a lot more money as fans would feel as they were being conned (again) "
Conned again?
I know this is going to turn into a long thread and my reply will not help, but please, do you really mean that?'"
Well we were conned in 2017 into paying for more home games than we played
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Well we were conned in 2017 into paying for more home games than we played
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If peoples expectations are too high they will always be disappointed.
And knowing how pessimistic you are I doubt you planned for play offs
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| It does make me laugh when we get the usual suspects on here moaning about prices to watch the rugby when there's no rugby to watch!
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| Quote ="Jukesays"If peoples expectations are too high they will always be disappointed.
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"I haven't "lost" money. I have paid for something which I might not get, the money has already gone and the club need it more than me.
I'd rather sacrifice a couple of hundred quid and still have the club around in years to come than any other scenario, each to their own though.'"
So you think your ST money is good value when all it is doing is paying for Hastings and Hardaker to chuck teabags into cups from a distance?
I'd rather my money went towards buying another ventilator.
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| Quote ="JonnyBroad"Would lose money because they would not get as much money in from season tickets if they reduced the cost by any missed games this year. By budget better do you mean buy a lesser quality of player? Which then gives people another stick to beat IFL with because he isnt signing top players? I just don't get why anyone who has already paid there money out months ago would ask for it back? Like i posted before i understand the ones paying on the drip might not want to continue there monthly payments but am pretty sure they will be legally bound to do so. I am sure the club will offer something back, personally if i was the club i would offer everyone a voucher for the shop,say £100 voucher, that way then the club don't lose as much but the fans gain something.'"
I too think the club will honour their obligations regarding season tickets, be it either the season gets finished (and im sure this is what the clubs will want, pie and pint money is important to them all after all) or price off next seasons ticket,Lenegan isn't a mug he knows when this hit that fans who haven't returned with two big signings won't come back if the club is seen to shortchange people things are going to get rough, and lets be fair it wasn't all rosy crowd wise before this mess.
As for signings I think we as fans are going to have to temper expectations for a few years and the reliance on the production line will be renewed with vigour but after the world starts to turn again big money players just won't be happening imo and that goes throughout the sport full stop, only football will escape this mess fairly unscathed in my opinions yes like it or not next season and the following few are going to be tough ones for the club and the sport,and you need fans onside to buy the merchandise,the pies and the pints.
But its going to be grim for a few years yet.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"So you think your ST money is good value when all it is doing is paying for Hastings and Hardaker to chuck teabags into cups from a distance?
I'd rather my money went towards buying another ventilator.'"
Is anything good value for money when you don’t get what you paid for? Why are you coming out terms that I haven’t even said?
And what the actual F are you expecting the players to do on lockdown? The money I paid towards my ST isn’t paying for anyone to chuck teabags, it’s income that will help the club to exist in the long term.
Read the last four words of my original post.
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"
And what the actual F are you expecting the players to do on lockdown? '"
Take a paycut to the Govt threshold of £2500 a month. If they have large mortgages, take a payment holiday.
That's what the rest of the country are doing.
My daughter is a trainee radiographer for the NHS and my son works for a large pharmaceutical store - neither earn close to £2500 a month but their efforts are keeping the likes of JH and ZH safe to chuck teabags for a hell of a lot more than £2500 a month.
Perhaps if the original question was re-phrased to "Would you be willing to pay £350 per head to the Government for a Covid-Levy"? I wonder how many of the ST holders would happily do that?
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| Everyone’s circumstances are different but I personally wouldn’t want a penny back from the club, even if there are no more games. This whole situation is horrendous for everyone involved and it’s something nobody would’ve seen coming. I want a normal life back at some point (as does everyone) and a big part of mine is going watching rugby league. If my season ticket money plays a small part in helping the club then that’s great.
I’d like to think I’ll have a job at the end of all this and will be able to put more money (however small the amount is) in to the club and the game. That’s not to forget the fund raising that’s needed for the NHS and other various charities. Everyone who can needs to play a small part (a small wager on the virtual grand national is a start, with the proceeds going to the NHS) and I’m sure there will be plenty of opportunities via fund raising events. A good start would be getting these premier league footballers to carry some of the financial burden. Bar the odd one, there doesn’t seem to be any rush for them to do that.
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| Agreed NK, well said. Heard some of the staff were put on furlough as of yesterday so hope they get all that support they need from relevant places and they’re all back with us ASAP.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Everyone’s circumstances are different but I personally wouldn’t want a penny back from the club, even if there are no more games. This whole situation is horrendous for everyone involved and it’s something nobody would’ve seen coming. I want a normal life back at some point (as does everyone) and a big part of mine is going watching rugby league. If my season ticket money plays a small part in helping the club then that’s great.
I’d like to think I’ll have a job at the end of all this and will be able to put more money (however small the amount is) in to the club and the game. That’s not to forget the fund raising that’s needed for the NHS and other various charities. Everyone who can needs to play a small part (a small wager on the virtual grand national is a start, with the proceeds going to the NHS) and I’m sure there will be plenty of opportunities via fund raising events. A good start would be getting these premier league footballers to carry some of the financial burden. Bar the odd one, there doesn’t seem to be any rush for them to do that.'"
The excuse by those in football including players union, that if they took a 30% cut in pay, it would mean that they would pay less tax and less would go to the NHS is only a illustration of how footballers and their agents have become more and more greedy and selfish since the ending of the maximum wage. How do they think footballers of that time would have coped with the situation we have now when they were on a pittance like £20 per week (average pay around a third of that figure) compared to the telephones number pay they are on today.
The England Manager, Gareth Southgate has set a example and taken a 30% cut, but as yet, not many of the overpaid prima donna's have done likewise.
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"The excuse by those in football including players union, that if they took a 30% cut in pay, it would mean that they would pay less tax and less would go to the NHS is only a illustration of how footballers and their agents have become more and more greedy and selfish since the ending of the maximum wage. How do they think footballers of that time would have coped with the situation we have now when they were on a pittance like £20 per week (average pay around a third of that figure) compared to the telephones number pay they are on today.
The England Manager, Gareth Southgate has set a example and taken a 30% cut, but as yet, not many of the overpaid prima donna's have done likewise.'"
Will they not pay less tax if they are paid less?
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"The excuse by those in football including players union, that if they took a 30% cut in pay, it would mean that they would pay less tax and less would go to the NHS is only a illustration of how footballers and their agents have become more and more greedy and selfish since the ending of the maximum wage. How do they think footballers of that time would have coped with the situation we have now when they were on a pittance like £20 per week (average pay around a third of that figure) compared to the telephones number pay they are on today.
The England Manager, Gareth Southgate has set a example and taken a 30% cut, but as yet, not many of the overpaid prima donna's have done likewise.'"
They’re throwing every excuse out they can. If they’re worried about that then pay them in full and let them donate to a central pot. Many have done their bit but many have not. Wayne Rooney is really grating on me. His comments that footballers are being made scapegoats sticks in the throat a little but not as much as when he commented that they’d been treated as guinea pigs, all because they were asked to play on for about a week after we started to get cases here. Other sports played past their date and if footballers are guinea pigs, what does that make the shelf stackers, cashiers, bin collectors, delivery men, warehouse workers and so on and on and on. That’s before we start on the frontline NHS staff.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"The vast majority of the Season Ticket holders will earn much less than the vast majority of the playing and coaching staff.
Where is the logic in the poor subsidising the lifestyle of the rich?'"
They aren't footballers - other than the marquee players I don't think you could classify the standard paid Super League player as rich. They will still live within their means and have mortgages to pay. A lot of them will be on £50k or less surely.
I don't pretend to know the salaries of the players, but I do know what some of the younger lads were on a few years ago and it's not much.
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The article in the Sunday Times by Wayne Rooney just show's what a different planet these people live in. Liverpool (and others) putting staff on furlough while the players are paid in full might be legal but it certainly isn't moral . The majority of Premier League players even the lowest paid ones will earn more in a week than Tom and Tina in the ticket office earn in a year. All these football managers business people and the like making noise about taking 20 - 30% pay cuts doesn't cut any ice while at the same time they are laying off all their staff on 80% wages (max £2'500). I bet Tom and Tina in the ticket office wouldn't mind living for 3 months on 70% of Daniel Levy's (Spurs) £7m he earned from them last year and just put his staff on furlough .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52172196
Regards EW (sitting in the house with cabin fever and going stir crazy but well and that's a PLUS so i'm grateful. I would kill for a pint and kebab on King Street and i don't even like walking down that street lol. )
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The article in the Sunday Times by Wayne Rooney just show's what a different planet these people live in. Liverpool (and others) putting staff on furlough while the players are paid in full might be legal but it certainly isn't moral . The majority of Premier League players even the lowest paid ones will earn more in a week than Tom and Tina in the ticket office earn in a year. All these football managers business people and the like making noise about taking 20 - 30% pay cuts doesn't cut any ice while at the same time they are laying off all their staff on 80% wages (max £2'500). I bet Tom and Tina in the ticket office wouldn't mind living for 3 months on 70% of Daniel Levy's (Spurs) £7m he earned from them last year and just put his staff on furlough .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52172196
Regards EW (sitting in the house with cabin fever and going stir crazy but well and that's a PLUS so i'm grateful. I would kill for a pint and kebab on King Street and i don't even like walking down that street lol. )
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| I do not necessarily disagree with Wayne Rooney but if a club is making the taxpayer pay the wages of it 's employees then it obviously should be making savings elsewhere. If big football clubs are not willing to do their bit then the decision should be taken away from the people in charge. Sadly the government are unlikely to look too closely at profiteering given the level of self interest and incompetence being exhibited.
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| It disgusts me that the furlough system was brought in to help small businesses and yet you have liverpool who made over £40 million profit last year abusing the system,the government should put a stop to it football clubs should have to show genuine hardship to qualify and don't get me started on Daniel bloodu Levy,what an absolute leech
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