Nothing expensive about a drone sending video to a computer with software picking up an actual incident & flagging up for a video ref to use, as you have declared, there arnt that many so advice to refs ear piece would be low !
There seems to be always a reason why you cannot, never a reason why you can !
However, for the few reasons you say it doesn't happen that often, then change the rule to " forward pass allowed " equal to both sides, no arguments, easy to score, entertainment higher, no more bad decisions of excuses !

Do you really think that a drone would be in the correct position to pick up any contentious forward pass.
As you know, a pass can look blatantly forward when viewed for a certain angle and legitimate when viewed from a different position.

Your solution sounds quite simple and not too expensive to implement but, the reality is rather different.

We could ask the VR to adjudicate on forward pass calls, which would clear up some of them but there would still be plenty left for us to "argue" over, just as there are with try/no try calls.

You can bring all the cameras and VR as much as you want, that would still not be disallowed as it was passed backwards out off the hands. Get over if.

So he was trying to pass it to a player 2 metres behind him, but it only went 1 meter behind him
Sounds like it went backwards to me, just not as far as he intended.

Some people really need to listen more instead of starting off with the answer they want and making every bit of evidence fit the answer they want.

And what on earth do you mean by "a couple of feet is momentum" etc..?

A couple of feet isn't ok if the player is stood still I.e. from dummy half
Whereas if a winger is running at 20mph down the wing and passes the ball inside to a supporting player 8/9 metres away a couple of metres will be ok.

As it's all relevant to the momentum of the player passing the Ball.



Try throwing a tennis ball put of a car window backwards as you pass say a lamppost at 30mph and see if you can get it to land behind it, you'll be lucky if the ball lands less than 10mtrs in front of the lamppost.

yep i once threw a tin can out of a car window at a well known ref, i threw it at the back if his head, i saw it hit the floor out if my mirror 5 meters in from if him. (That was an example not a true fact not the ref but anyway)

Just putting a Leeds twist on all this.
How many times (out of 10), when the South Stand shout "forward" has the opposition passed the ball forward, because they dont half shout it a lot.
The other measure when deciding refereeing decisions is to imagine how you would feel if you were supporting the opposite side and I'm not sure that you would be so vehement in your opinion had London won the game with the same play.

Unfortunately, with all sports, where there is a referee or umpire, they make mistakes and we all have to love with their call.

Never has there been a replay forced due to a poor call at a crucial time.

Its just really simple physics, for people that don’t understand take rugby ball in a car drive at say 20MPH throw the ball backwards or ‘flat’ out of the window, now do you think the ball will land behind where you were the moment you threw the ball out of the window?

Hiw nany timed do they shout forward, about 10 times less than they do at Hull kr.
London scored there final try and there was a huge forward pass missed in the build up. So at best its even.

But the Leeds ine was not forward some people are just digging a huge whole.

I'm a Wigan fan and I'll say it's the same % of time as it is at Wigan as they'll be wrong as many times as we are, or saints fans, or warrington fans (but obviously not wakefield fans as you'll be right the thousands of times you shout it when an opposition player does it but never when your own player does).
Because it's irrelevant how many times they shout it, as it's a subjective opinion based call.

However
What people are trying to say is that those who keep pointing at lines on a pitch or where the ball landed if it hit the floor are wrong as its irrelevant where the ball travelled in relation to the lines on a stationary pitch.

As I said on the mat h thread, change the rules, make it so it has to go backwards in relation to the pitch, then sit back and watch as any player who makes a break has to almost stop and stand still to pass it to a team mate.
This should be fun!

Not saying you cannot be an RL fan unless you gave played the game but it helps as some peoples comments show thay have no experience of running passing and catching a ball. Even at a fast jog you gave to pass a ball to where the player is going to be not where he is when you start to pass. If a player is level you have to pass it forward our it will end up in the floor that would most likley be an easy forward pass call, the incident in question he is clearly 2 meters in from of the receiving player, and the ball is passed out of the hands backwards, it was not a forward pass end off.

Who decides which passes are referred? If you are talking about every pass the crowd consider contentious being checked by your IT wizardry then it is possibly the most bonkers idea I have ever read on these boards. Which is saying something. If it is in the build up to tries then it is possibly the most bonkers idea I have ever read on these boards.

They shout the exact same as any other set of fans....difference is at Leeds their is 15,000 voices instead of 5,000 so you’ll notice it much more. In terms of percentage of the crowd who shout forward it’s probably the same as any other club.

Except Wakefield.

It depends on the relative speeds of both players.

OK so why do rugby union use VR to make calls on forward passes then, Are there so wrong to do so.

With most Trinity fans standing behind the sticks, we only shout for the really obvious forward passes.
They're that obvious, you would expect the ref and his two assistants to spot them as well

It left his hands forward and was a blatant forward pass... End of

I'm just gong to go ahead and assume you've got some evidence to back this up, because otherwise you're coming across as either blind or stupid.

Neither blind or stupid. IMHO it left his hands forward. You are entitled to your opinion and I mine. I only put "end of" in response to a previous poster who stated the same. Neither he or myself are the oracle and we are all entitled to an opinion

I've said it for years. When passed forwards, a GPS sensor/accelerometer in the ball should trigger automatically and the ball should explode, maiming the player who catches the ball. Punishes unskillful play and attempted cheating, whilst also making the sport more TV friendly. The ratings would soar. Imagine it, last seconds of the Cup Final, Gigot runs through, passes to Tomkins, it's a mile forward and the ball explodes taking Tomkins with it. Pure entertainment and exactly what sports fans across the globe are crying out for, sick of the rolling round and diving in Premier League football.

Sounds like you have been watching seth Mcfarlanes The Orville

It's not a 'matter of opinion' issue. It's a matter of physical fact. He threw the ball backwards, it's clear as day on the video.

No it isn't. He may have attempted to throw the ball backwards but he lost full control, a fact underlined by it being a crap pass.........he may have intended it to go backwards, but it certainly didn't.
As for throwing a tennis ball, rugby ball, tin can or your aunt fanny's cat out of a moving car window, it matters little......the ball bounced 4 meters ahead of where he let go of it and he had slowed down considerably before he threw it......momentum or not, the ball went forward by a large distance that disadvantaged the defending side and therefore should have been referred upstairs as a minimum.
As I have said, London didn't lose because of this decision, but Leeds may well stay up as a consequence.

That sounds good in principle, but what if it's a REALLY bad pass that sails into the crowd? How would clubs cover the cost of compensation with the death toll in double figures?

It's all well and good having these ideas, but you've got to think of the practicalities.

The ball was still behind him when it landed, it was also a shorter distance ahead of Watkins when it landed than when he threw it, so either he slowed down, threw it and then sped up whilst Watkins suddenly found a burst of speed he's not had all season and accelerated 60 metres into his run OR he threw it backwards and you have zero understanding of how any of this works.

Either post a picture that shows the ball leaving his hands forward or stop saying he 'certainly' threw it forwards.

How can people who have watched this much rugby league still not understand how this works?