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| Is there a public footpath going through the front of the stand? Constantly people walking throughout the game.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"I couldn't give a flying one if there were 5 or 50,000 there....the REALITY is that a team full of UK/AU/NZ journey men are being hyped up as the future of the game, when the reality is that EVERY SINGLE TICKET is free, the beer festival has shrunk and Argyle has the arrogance of a few other RL club owners........which, if he bores/tires of it, will see Toronto vanish as quickly as they arrived.
My sincere wish is that Toulouse do them in the GF........they are a SL squad in the lower tier and if we are doing expansion, they should have been fast-tracked instead of messing with the lower tiers. The championship 2019 could have been a really competitive if it weren't for the millionaires toy strolling through it.
London down, Toronto up and I reckon the 2nd tier will be a far better product in 2020.'"
As Toronto fans have said, the provenance of the players does not seem to bother American/Canadian sports fans. Winess Las Vegas Golden Knights NHL team. As far as I know it did not exist five years ago. Rich dudes bought a franchise, hired 'mercenary' players from all nationalities/states and last year reached the Stanley Cup final, winning tremendous crowds in what is not by any means a traditional NHL city. OK, that's on a bigger scale than Toronto, but it's not dissimilar in terms of the approach to building a new team and support to go with it.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"I couldn't give a flying one if there were 5 or 50,000 there....when the reality is that EVERY SINGLE TICKET is free, the beer festival has shrunk ...'"
Whatever point you are attempting to make is diminished by your continuing habit of making stuff up to suit your argument.
If Wolfpack give away a few free tickets, that gets people in the ground and many of them pay to come back again. Most tickets are purchased and season ticket numbers are up. Last time I pointed this out to you, you called me a liar and got banned for a week.
The beer festival is booming, there are several great new brewers in the rotation this season and the beer garden was packed end to end yesterday.
But then I was at the Wolfpack v Swinton match, and you weren't.
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| Quote ="pandamonium"Whatever point you are attempting to make is diminished by your continuing habit of making stuff up to suit your argument.
If Wolfpack give away a few free tickets, that gets people in the ground and many of them pay to come back again. Most tickets are purchased and season ticket numbers are up. Last time I pointed this out to you, you called me a liar and got banned for a week.
The beer festival is booming, there are several great new brewers in the rotation this season and the beer garden was packed end to end yesterday.
But then I was at the Wolfpack v Swinton match, and you weren't.'"
A FEW free tickets? Delusional, Toronto are a gimmick, nothimg more.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Nah....sorry, but no way.
Toronto will deliver a little bit of extra press.....but to emphasise how minimal Canada is in the terms of North America, I would consider Toronto to be as influential in America as Carlisle is in the UK.
We get a hard on for a rich aussie in Toronto, because it's different....London, with the Skolars and the Broncos running sides that are 70% organic is the future, not some rich tool throwing cash at promotion and buying success...........the fact is that tickets were available FOC.......and they will be again.
The real issue here is that the RFL/SL are happy for the freakshow, because up until Good Friday, you couldn't find attendances in the general press.....and by Easter Monday, they had vanished again.....but Toronto going up will be headline news and backslapping central at the head office.....because we'll forget that SL crowds are still at 2006 levels, whilst other sports including soccer and union as well as netball are all on the rise.......Man United are up 18% in that period.....the Union premiership are up 38%, we're down 8%.......DOWN......
.....and a rich bloke paying for people to attend a beer festival in the summer months and not doing anything to actually grow the development of players isn't going to change that at all.....other than giving SKY TV a Sunday evening filler which they won't pay for!'"
What are you on about? Do you even know?
Why are you so angry over a new club getting good crowds and trying to establish themselves?
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| Quote ="Leon Ashton"Is there a public footpath going through the front of the stand? Constantly people walking throughout the game.'"
There are concrete walkways along the front of both the east and west stands. There is a beer garden with about 12 tents at the north end. Fans walk about to go chat with friends or to get beer.
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| Cant wait for my visit next season. Sounds like the matchday experience is a belter.
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| Notice its fans of the bottom 2 super league clubs who feel threatened by Toronto
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| Bradford Bulls are the opposition that's why there'll be a big crowd on Saturday.
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| Quote ="Leon Ashton"Is there a public footpath going through the front of the stand? Constantly people walking throughout the game.'"
It's bizarre isn't it, weirdos !
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| Call me God is in fact *almost* correct in pointing out that the stated attendance of 9,565 is 35 *not 40* seats short of Lamport capacity of 9,600 (according to Wiki) !
A blind donkey watching on TV or even viewing the supplied photo can clearly see that the main *popular* stand had at least a few hundred seats untaken & the opposite side had easily 1,000 seats untaken.
It is the 'smoke & mirrors' or as I like to call them, downright blatant lies that is so infuriating, why not just give the correct figure ? If it were only 8,000 it would still be an excellent attendance for a new club in Canada !
Also, why give literally thousands of tickets away ? Again it is not a true reflection of how many of the Toronto area citizens actually would want to watch if paying !
One of TW officials stated last season that they give tickets away, it is fact ! How can that model work ?
Only when TW are promoted & subject to concessions not afforded to all other SL clubs will we see the attitudes of pro expansion SL club supporters waver !
I hope that Toronto are promoted at end of season & that they get their last 8 game run in all at home !
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"
Also, why give literally thousands of tickets away ? !'"
Citation needed
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| Fantastic crowd. Time to move SL over to Canada lock stock and barrel.
Quality rugby, knowledgeable fans and a glut of youngsters itching to join the revolution.
Well done Toronto, we love you.
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| If Toronto are giving away free tickets all the time, why have the season ticket holders not at the very least had a moan about it.
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| Quote ="RoyBoy29"If Toronto are giving away free tickets all the time, why have the season ticket holders not at the very least had a moan about it.'"
They're too busy getting hammered at the back of the stand.
Also, moaning is a very English thing. Everything over there is positive, yay.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Fantastic crowd. Time to move SL over to Canada lock stock and barrel.
Quality rugby, knowledgeable fans and a glut of youngsters itching to join the revolution.
Well done Toronto, we love you.'"
I agree, let's do it RFL !
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| Im flying over on Thursday for the Bulls game at the weekend. Ill happily report back on the game day experience and how much/little its taking off in Canada
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions" A blind donkey watching on TV or even viewing the supplied photo can clearly see that the main *popular* stand had at least a few hundred seats untaken & the opposite side had easily 1,000 seats untaken. '"
I guess I'll be explaining this again for the rest of the season. Here goes (again):
Lamport Stadium, according to the city's fire regulations, is permitted to have 9600 people inside the grounds. That includes everyone you and your blind donkey can see in the beer garden at the north end and the VIP tents in the south end, everyone walking round the stadium, and everyone you and your donkey can't see because they're in the concourse under the seats or they're off having a wee.
Lamport has bleacher seating, not actual seats, so we can sit far apart or squinch up like sardines if we choose. It's also general admission, so we can sit anywhere we like.
No smoke and mirrors, my man. Just confusion from UK-based pundits who can't believe we can pull a crowd that size.
Your donkey also asked, "why give literally thousands of tickets away? One of TW officials stated last season that they give tickets away, it is fact ! How can that model work?"
Indeed, I was at that Q&A session when the comment was made. Note, that "tickets" does not automatically mean "thousands of tickets". Wolfpack does give away some free tickets - and season ticket holders get to use two free tickets for friends each season - what this does is get people who've never experienced a rugby league game before in their lives to come along and join the fun and spend money on beer & food & maybe even merch. Many of them come back for more, and pay their way. My 2018 free tickets have turned two friends into season ticket holders for 2019. And that's how the model works.
Personally, I can't wait for the Dragons/Warriors match at Camp Nou - the 2019 attendance record for both SL and the Championship will both be held by expansion teams.
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| Quote ="pandamonium". Many of them come back for more, and pay their way.
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Given that the crowd was near capacity, if they all come back where will next week’s freebies be accommodated?
If Bradford’s support is significantly more the Swinton’s, will they get in?
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| Free tickets or no free tickets , it was an impressive turnout for a club three years into its life , a sizeable number or Toronto citizens are showing an interest in the club and the sport
Can clubs over here learn or use similar ways to build their support bases ? , Possibly some of them to a lesser degree , but ultimately it does require one thing most clubs here don't have , a billionaire , able and willing to write a blank cheque to do whatever they decide , they have got the plan right along with a couple of starters , 1 a city centre stadium , 2 a virtually guaranteed wining team , also being a ' new ' sport without history , they then are able to attract various demographics from the local population , be that a cheap day out for families , a drinking venue with a party atmosphere as well as hard core sports fans looking for off season options to Hockey
Difficult for existing UK heartland clubs to imitate , and it possibly might be for other new clubs , only time will tell
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| Quote ="reffy"Given that the crowd was near capacity, if they all come back where will next week’s freebies be accommodated?
If Bradford’s support is significantly more the Swinton’s, will they get in?'"
I'd expect any Bulls fans making the trip from the UK would already have bought their tickets, wouldn't you? I know when I travel to watch the Wolfpack in the UK, I always make sure to buy a match ticket in advance.
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| Quote ="reffy"Given that the crowd was near capacity, if they all come back where will next week’s freebies be accommodated?
If Bradford’s support is significantly more the Swinton’s, will they get in?'"
Some might not have recovered from their blistered feet with all that walking up and down on concrete for 80mins.
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| Quote ="pandamonium"I'd expect any Bulls fans making the trip from the UK would already have bought their tickets, wouldn't you? I know when I travel to watch the Wolfpack in the UK, I always make sure to buy a match ticket in advance.'"
That's not the point reffy was making,so you never answered his question.
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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Notice its fans of the bottom 2 super league clubs who feel threatened by Toronto
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There isn’t a Hull KR fan on here complaining plus we’ve played them twice and beat them twice
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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Notice its fans of the bottom 2 super league clubs who feel threatened by Toronto
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Not at all threatened....why would I feel threatened when a/ I know we are going down and b/ they choked against us at home in the MPG
Toronto are not the answer to the woes of the sport.......they are a sideshow, a gimmick, a fantasy......you and your multiple persona's are well aware of this.
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