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| Quote ="TVC15"This is madness. If this trend for individual countries changing the rules continues, how many different sets of rules will rugby league have in years to come?
There appears to be nothing to stop, for example, the Russians, the French, the Serbs etc...all making up their own set of rules.
In fact, why stop at individual countries having their own unique set of rules. We could have Yorkshire rules, Lancashire rules, Southern England rules etc....
The game is becoming a joke. What other serious sport allows this nonsense. The game in the UK has far more serious and pressing concerns for the governing body to be prioritising (clubs in serious financial difficulties, a licencing system that is seemingly unable to carry out a basic financial audit of a clubs financial health before awarding a licence, the loss of millions in government subsidy to name just three areas in this country to be going on with).
Is there not someone in the RFL and the Australian RL Commision hierarchy who actually gives a monkeys about the wider global vision of the game? The national governing bodies of the game need to get together to firstly set down one set of rules which everyone should abide by, and secondly come up with a system (presumably similar to other sports) where suggested rule changes are looked at and either rejected or implemented globally.'"
Its a trial for christs sake not changing the rules. RL has always been about innovation. Maybe we should go back to lineouts and 15 a side.
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| I like the first two changes.
If you cannot kick the ball dead it puts more emphasis on good kicking. On the last you can either go for distance or have to be perfect to avoid losing 40 metres or you have to have an attacking kick or run on the last.
Either way it will make for a more interesting attacking game.
The rule about the charge down is also good. It will mean kickers are under more pressure on the last tackle the defence can take a chance and attack the kicker hence leaving a gap for the attack to exploit or they can stand back.
Both these rules will mean a more attacking less metronomic game. We often criticise RL for five runs and a kick. These two rules will encourage more options in attack as if you get the kick wrong you wil be in trouble.
The scrum rule makes sense because we do not have contested scrums and it is a way of rewarding attacking play. However the defence has the option of putting a push on if they have an extra man. It adds a degree of uncertainty into the scrum or the attacking play.
95% of scrums now consist of the feeding team winning the scrum and having a withdrawn forward running the ball in. This will create different options for a team.
Wigan fans should love all these rules!
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| I do understand that it's a trial. I don't have a problem with trying out improvements to the game.
However, in my opinion, it must be done with the consensus of all the other full members of the RLIF rather than one country's governing body trialling the new rules without the agreement of the other countries.
If this trial is "successful" I presume that the UK will implement the changes regardless of what any of the other full members of the RLIF think. If so, we will end up with 3 versions (to my knowledge) of the rules of RL (the UK version, the Australian version, & the International rules).
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| Kicking the ball dead from inside your own half - where the ball is kicked dead or touch in goal from inside the kicker’s own half, play will be restarted with a handover at the centre of the 40m line nearest to the non-kicking team’s goal line.
This rule doesn't award kicks that might be great and go into the in goal, and then only just roll off the pitch. It also doesn't award 40/20 attempts that might take a wrong bounce. They are trying to punish clearing kicks but at the same time might put off kickers.
Charge down - charging down the ball does not restart the tackle count. If the kicking team regains possession the tackle count will continue as before. The charge down will still not count as a knock on.
Warrington try quite a lot on kick pressure and charge downs, but the risk/reward a lot of the time isn't there. I agree with this rule.
Attacking team option to reduce numbers in scrum - where a team is awarded a scrum, the feeding team has the option of only putting five men in the scrum giving them eight “backs” to attack with.
We might possibly see some contested scrums as it would be tempting to push against only 5 men.
One rule I'd like to see is that you can't simply bomb kick from say 30 or more metres out and chase, if you can't get near the opponents line you don't deserve to just hit and hope like that.
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| Quote ="lister"
One rule I'd like to see is that you can't simply bomb kick from say 30 or more metres out and chase, if you can't get near the opponents line you don't deserve to just hit and hope like that.'"
An accurate, steep bomb is probably the hardest thing to do in our game, there's nothing 'hit and hope' about it.
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| The 40m tap is a definite no for me. The defending team already get a 20m advantage, if they want to defend those kicks they can do, they choose not to.
The charge down is a no from me aswell. The defending team already get the benefit of the chargedown not being a knock-on, I don't see why a deliberate play at the ball shouldn't result in another set of 6 for whoever gains possession.
The scrum thing im unsure but I'd like to see trialled, it could open up scrums a bit with either the attack having an extra man or the defending scrum putting on a push. But then teams like Wigan seem to have no problem attacking from scrums as it is.
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| Quote ="lister"Kicking the ball dead from inside your own half - where the ball is kicked dead or touch in goal from inside the kicker’s own half, play will be restarted with a handover at the centre of the 40m line nearest to the non-kicking team’s goal line.
This rule doesn't award kicks that might be great and go into the in goal, and then only just roll off the pitch. It also doesn't award 40/20 attempts that might take a wrong bounce. They are trying to punish clearing kicks but at the same time might put off kickers. '"
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| Hey, at least they're not trying out the NRL All Stars "Power Play" rule...
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| I would like to see any change that could.lessen the use of kicks in.the final third.
Whats made it worse on the high kicks is the batting back of the ball in this situation.
I think i would eliminate that style of challenge in the air where there is a deliberate attempt to strike the ball away not challenge for it - on both sides.
Id also limit repeat sets to two dropouts and maybe eventually to one.
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| I suppose the "chargedown" rule is an attempt to see more teams trying to attack the kicker on the 4th and 5th tackles. Might as well go for it, knowing if you fail they only get one more attempt or it gets handed over anyway. All that WILL happen though is the kicker will drop a bit further back for his kick.
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| I think there's merit in the scrum rule. Too many teams just trundle a second row up at first receiver which doesn't entertain anyone. An extra attacker would see more enterprise.
The 40m tap is harsh. There would be an inch between what is the best kick in the world and a kick being severely detrimental to your own side. Kickers would pull kicks up short from their own half which would result in the fullback taking the ball with ease and making it back to around the 40m line anyway.
A charge down is an optional risk and I feel the rule is fine as it stands. You aren't forced to charge down and people know the 'extra set' rule before they go for it. No need to change this.
Looking forward to seeing how they work anyway.
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| Quote ="Il Fanatico"The 40m tap is harsh. There would be an inch between what is the best kick in the world and a kick being severely detrimental to your own side. Kickers would pull kicks up short from their own half which would result in the fullback taking the ball with ease and making it back to around the 40m line anyway.'"
Happened at Leeds today. Paul McShane put in a lovely kick from just inside the own half that split the winger and full back, but took two big hops forward and rolled dead.
Wakefield got an extra 20m ground out of a kick being a couple of yards too heavy. If he had belted it straight down the full back's throat, he would probably have been tackled around the 30m mark.
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| imo the new charge down rule is aimed at defenders actually trying to attack the ball rather than attacking the kicker, as such giving the kicker better protection and also allowing for a dummy kick and run. which can only be a good thing.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Happened at Leeds today. Paul McShane put in a lovely kick from just inside the own half that split the winger and full back, but took two big hops forward and rolled dead.
Wakefield got an extra 20m ground out of a kick being a couple of yards too heavy. If he had belted it straight down the full back's throat, he would probably have been tackled around the 30m mark.'"
Also, there was an incident when a Rhinos kick on the last tackle came of the Wakefield players leg and went into touch, which was a scrum feed to Leeds (just as it would have been last season), had the ball bounced back into a Leeds players hands it would still have been the last tackle, but Leeds gained a scrum on the Wakefield "40".
FWIW, although there will be moments when the ball trickles "dead", it looks like a positive rule change and will prevent the hpoefull "hoof" upfield.
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| Don't really like the idea of any of them. You very really see teams hoofing it completely dead on purpose. OK some trickle dead when the oppositions tries a clearing kick, but that's part of the game. 40m is too much IMO. What's the difference between someone kicking it out dead from a clearing kick and someone deliberately kicking it into touch?
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"An accurate, steep bomb is probably the hardest thing to do in our game, there's nothing 'hit and hope' about it.'"
Aimless kicks to the corner resulting in a try is probably the worse way to score a try IMO
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"An accurate, steep bomb is probably the hardest thing to do in our game, there's nothing 'hit and hope' about it.'"
Aimless kicks to the corner resulting in a try is probably the worse way to score a try IMO, no skill.
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| Quote 1.'"
Like this. It will discourage aimless hoofs down the field.
Quote 2.'"
I also like this. It will mean that pressuring the kick is a win-win situation.
Quote 3.'" I don't like the sound of that, at all.
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| Quote ="ChampagneSuperRovers"Aimless kicks to the corner resulting in a try is probably the worse way to score a try IMO, no skill.'"
Tell you what, take a ball out onto a local pitch and stand 10 metres in from touch on one side, around the 20 metre line.
Now try to kick the ball so it lands in a five metre square patch of grass in the opposite corner. It has to be in the air long enough that someone who was stood behind you could run forward and catch it before it lands.
Try it 20 times, and come back to us with how many landed exactly where you wanted them to with the right amount of time in the air. Then tell me there's no skill involved in cross-field kicks.
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| What's the new advantage rule?
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| Quote ="ChampagneSuperRovers"Aimless kicks to the corner resulting in a try is probably the worse way to score a try IMO, no skill.'"
Said by someone who has clearly never played the game. If you have it was probably as a prop, the Paleaaesina kind.
You try and do it and see what success rate you come back with.
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| Ade Gardner's try for St Helens against Leeds in March (46-6), the leap by Gardner made that try, it was perfect...the kick by Roby however wasn't great and quite a desperate play on the last. It's about the recipient of the kick, and the how the opposition's defence deals with it, not really about the kick itself.
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| Quote ="ChampagneSuperRovers" It's about the recipient of the kick, and the how the opposition's defence deals with it, not really about the kick itself.'" Its still got to land in the right place, though,and in order to make it hard to take, you need to get height on it.
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| 1. Nope, it penalises the 'attacking' team too much when the vageries of a bounce/pitch divots/swirling winds can mean the ball pulling up way short of the try line or bouncing miles over for similar power/directioned kicks.
Trying to put back rotation on a ball to hold it up and get distance over 35-40m is extremely difficult without having a player charging you down if no.2 gets the go-ahead
2. So if a defender charges down, the ball goes back toward the attackers goal line 25m and they recover it on the last, isn't the risk for open kicking massively more riskier. Will we be seeing the offside rule tightened up because that will just be a joke situation with some teams already infringing the 10 by a few yards, more so at the back end of a game..
3. Again, if we see defending teams being offside at scrums as has been the case for like forever with virtual impunity having an extra man over won't make a huge amount of difference.
Stop the defending team from moving up so quick, as in enforce the offside rule properly, retiring back the required distance behind the scrum until the ball is out and they'll be space for teams to attack, no need to have an extra loose man.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"1. Nope, it penalises the 'attacking' team too much when the vageries of a bounce/pitch divots/swirling winds can mean the ball pulling up way short of the try line or bouncing miles over for similar power/directioned kicks.
Trying to put back rotation on a ball to hold it up and get distance over 35-40m is extremely difficult without having a player charging you down if no.2 gets the go-ahead
'" I like this, as it will help make it harder to pin a team in their own half. I prefer it to be morelike the rugby union rule, whereby when the ball runs dead in goal, the restarting team can choose a tap on the 20, or a tap where is was kicked from.
It is extremely difficult to get it to stand up in the in goal, but all too often people don't even try, they just hoof it down field as hard as they can and if it goes dead, they get a pretty good reward in a restart on the 20m.
Quote 2. So if a defender charges down, the ball goes back toward the attackers goal line 25m and they recover it on the last, isn't the risk for open kicking massively more riskier. Will we be seeing the offside rule tightened up because that will just be a joke situation with some teams already infringing the 10 by a few yards, more so at the back end of a game..'" You are right, the offside will have to be policed well, but I think it will encourage pressure on the kicker. From a speccy's POV, you want the charge down occur every time, but if the players kicking it around the half way, the defending wingers are dropped back, it may not be considered worth while to risk giving them another set of 6 by attempting a charge down - that's not condusive to entertainment, imo.
Percentage rugby has taken over at my club more than most, and its not as exciting to watch as RL should be. Whilst I love an armwrestle and seeing a team put under pressure until they break, i think the above tactics would help break down the slight monotony which is creeping into the game. All-in-all, I think they want to see more rugby around the half way line.
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