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| Has zak been cited yet, witch hunters?
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"So because he's an exciting rugby player he shouldn't be criticised or punished for homophobic abuse (IF that's what he said)
This is a forum, the discussion is whether a player (who has history of this sort of thing) made another homophobic comment. People who mention a players ability when discussing a disciplinary issue usually have no point to their argument.
I don't think anyone can say for certain that he said the word pu*f, nor can anyone say for certain he didn't say it and simply dismiss it as a witch hunt and Hardaker is a great player and we're all jealous. Those kind of responses remind me of chavs saying the police have it in for them when they're caught in a non insured car for third time.
The only way we can be certain if RFL have full investigation, get players, referee reports and a lip reader, and have sufficient evidence to charge Hardaker. But I don't think this is in their interest (particularly with bad press RL is getting recently)'"
One of the strangest responses I have read.
Two things-
Firstly, where at any point do I say he shouldn't be criticised for homophobic abuse? Please show me. If you can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he has made some, then knock yourself out.
Secondly, you mention Chavs and car insurance which, the last time I checked, is an open and shut case. A ridiculous comparison, considering this one is far more speculative and you have all decided to act as judge, jury and executioner.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Has zak been cited yet, witch hunters?'"
Don,t think the saints club will bother with it to be honest, as its had TV coverage you never know, some deaf person from the gay community who can lip read might feel offended.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Don,t think the saints club will bother with it to be honest, as its had TV coverage you never know, some deaf person from the gay community who can lip read might feel offended.'"
So even though he hasn't been cited, no one on the field has complained, people are still going to take it as fact what he said based on unreliable lip reading skills.
You people.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Quote ="Judder Man"Don,t think the saints club will bother with it to be honest, as its had TV coverage you never know, some deaf person from the gay community who can lip read might feel offended.'"
So even though he hasn't been cited, no one on the field has complained, people are still going to take it as fact what he said based on unreliable lip reading skills.
You people.'"
What I can't fathom is that in the middle of what was a decent game, people have been more bothered about pausing, rewinding, replaying that incident over and over just to try and work out what he said - why weren't they just enjoying the game?
It really is sad.
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| Quote ="Superted"What I can't fathom is that in the middle of what was a decent game, people have been more bothered about pausing, rewinding, replaying that incident over and over just to try and work out what he said - why weren't they just enjoying the game?
It really is sad.'"
They wanted to be outraged. They wanted to stick the knife in. They wanted a right good moan. I think even if he'd said a completly different word after f*cking, like tw*t or kn*b, or even the C word, people would still be kicking off on here outraged.
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| Can't see the problem. It's just words in the heat of the moment. If someone did grab his tackle then arguably justifiable?
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| Look who started the thread and when! Wasn't the 'Ull derby still in progress? Mind you if you've just been rogered by your fiercest rivals you would want to deflect attention wouldn't you?
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| Quote ="ryano"Look who started the thread and when! Wasn't the 'Ull derby still in progress? Mind you if you've just been rogered by your fiercest rivals you would want to deflect attention wouldn't you?'"
or if you were a Rhino fan trying to defend the indefensible (again) then you'd certainly look to deflect attention onto someone else!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"or if you were a Rhino fan trying to defend the indefensible (again) then you'd certainly look to deflect attention onto someone else!'"
Most leeds fans did not defend zack earlier in the season.
But against unproven accusations, you bet your ass they will.
RE the peacock one above. If you look for it, you will see players swear at the ref often.
But for some reason people are taking the time to upload incidents involving only leeds players.
Of course leeds fans will be defensive, it's a relentless siege upon their players.
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| As a Wigan fan, much as I would like to see Hardaker banned for the play-offs, I do think he said "pervert" rather than "puff" as there were too many syllables used for it to be the latter.
But then again, I'm not a brilliant lip reader.
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| 14 pages and still no idea what he said.
Enjoy this thread whilst you can !
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| Quote ="The Avenger"or if you were a Rhino fan trying to defend the indefensible (again) then you'd certainly look to deflect attention onto someone else!'"
See what I mean about "diddy teams" fans?
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| Quote ="ryano"See what I mean about "diddy teams" fans?
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Yes, it proves you are arrogant.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"They wanted to be outraged. They wanted to stick the knife in. They wanted a right good moan. I think even if he'd said a completly different word after f*cking, like tw*t or kn*b, or even the C word, people would still be kicking off on here outraged.'"
Saddest thing is, if he'd have just done the kiss and said nothing people would've still done the mock outrage homophobe thing on here.
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Just watched Hardaker video and I'm unsure as to what he said so unless you are a lip reading expert then how on earth can you say for sure what he said ? Or do my eyes need testing?
Definitely a case of taking someone on past reputation. Much a do about nothing if you ask me.
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Just watched Hardaker video and I'm unsure as to what he said so unless you are a lip reading expert then how on earth can you say for sure what he said ? Or do my eyes need testing?
Definitely a case of taking someone on past reputation. Much a do about nothing if you ask me.
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| Why is it mock rage????
There maybe a higher proportion of RL internet users that are of the homosexual persuasion. Therefore a higher proportion that you would expect to be offended.
I certainly have not done a demographic of the RL population.
So long as you ain't from Wigan your alright in my book.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Why is it mock rage????
There maybe a higher proportion of RL internet users that are of the homosexual persuasion. Therefore a higher proportion that you would expect to be offended.'"
Why would homosexual people be seemingly automatically outraged?
The gays and bisexual people I know, if I showed them the clip of Hardaker from Friday and said he's called another player a puff they'd either laugh/dismiss or be offended at me for thinking that would bother them.
Homosexual people have to battle much more serious and tougher issues regarding discrimination than to worry and get upset about a rugby player shouting that out in the middle of the match. Anybody who thinks they would be are treating them with kids gloves and THAT would offend them more from my experience than what Hardaker MAY have said.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Why would homosexual people be seemingly automatically outraged?
The gays and bisexual people I know, if I showed them the clip of Hardaker from Friday and said he's called another player a puff they'd either laugh/dismiss or be offended at me for thinking that would bother them.
Homosexual people have to battle much more serious and tougher issues regarding discrimination than to worry and get upset about a rugby player shouting that out in the middle of the match. Anybody who thinks they would be are treating them with kids gloves and THAT would offend them more from my experience than what Hardaker MAY have said.'"
So there is not a range of people.
They all conform to people you know.
Interesting.
Can we base all surveys on people you know.
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| Great another witch hunt thread on no actual evidence just opinion of people lip reading when you can't even see his lips at the end of what he said. If I could be bothered I would look through most televised game and see something that might or might not have been said.
Hardaker made a mistake erlier in the year which he admitted to, and so the witch hunt begins and because he has done it once is accused of something because of what he did previously with no evidence to confirm it. Which for me some have been on shaky ground re defamation of character etc
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| Hasn't Hardaker admitted to saying it, if so there's no need for lip reading
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"So there is not a range of people.
They all conform to people you know.
Interesting.
Can we base all surveys on people you know.'"
Exactly, there is a range of people that was the point. Not just the "all homosexuals will take offence", popular consensus on here seemed to be that they'd ALL fall under the offended banner.....reality is the wouldn't.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Hasn't Hardaker admitted to saying it, if so there's no need for lip reading'"
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Great another witch hunt thread on no actual evidence just opinion of people lip reading when you can't even see his lips at the end of what he said. If I could be bothered I would look through most televised game and see something that might or might not have been said.
Hardaker made a mistake erlier in the year which he admitted to, and so the witch hunt begins and because he has done it once is accused of something because of what he did previously with no evidence to confirm it. Which for me some have been on shaky ground re defamation of character etc'"
It's a disgrace.
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