Well Smokey if that's the case then the initial loan/advance was not as risky as I thought.

I think as lender of last resort the RFL do what they need to do. It would be difficult to set up lending rules as each clubs has such a different array of assets and liabilities that I'm not sure how you could do it.

If you go to a bank they will have general lending rules but some variation with in that. But go to Wonga and their rules for lending are completely different but cost more.

As a lender of last resort, you have to cover all these prospects.

A 'lender of last resort'? Like Wonga?

Maybe that's how Wonga got the shirt sponsorship at the Bulls? Or maybe that's how a Debt Collector became a director: www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... _investor/

Maybe that's how Wonga got the shirt sponsorship at the Bulls? Or maybe that's how a Debt Collector became a director: www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... _investor/

Quote ="Wadski"Maybe that's how Wonga got the shirt sponsorship at the Bulls? Or maybe that's how a Debt Collector became a director: www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... _investor/'" What happened to his "significant undisclosed sum"? Seems strange for a business man coming on board as a finance director would pay his own money into a business without a thorough check of the books first. Let's not forget there were 2 other interested parties when the bulls were in trouble the first time around Omar Khan's bid was chosen as the preferred option, reportedly as it was the only one which would see the bulls continue to play at odsal. Were the football club not interested but with a view to moving home games to Valley Parade? Who got Omar interested?

Quote ="Wadski"Maybe that's how Wonga got the shirt sponsorship at the Bulls? Or maybe that's how a Debt Collector became a director: www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... _investor/'" What happened to his "significant undisclosed sum"? Seems strange for a business man coming on board as a finance director would pay his own money into a business without a thorough check of the books first. Let's not forget there were 2 other interested parties when the bulls were in trouble the first time around Omar Khan's bid was chosen as the preferred option, reportedly as it was the only one which would see the bulls continue to play at odsal. Were the football club not interested but with a view to moving home games to Valley Parade? Who got Omar interested?

- The RFL is a governing body for RL with a clear role within the national sporting framework.

- You want to know who the Governing council are? Its called the RFL council. HTH

- Clubs not receiving £1m and finding ways of funding themselves or not getting a fair share of RFL money are disadvantaged.

- Several clubs have had advances of Sky money but non have had anything approaching the Odsal lease purchase. If you don't like that, tough.

- If you read my posts on here, no reason why you will have done so, you will see that my criticism is of RFL execs not Bulls staff and supporters.

- I am sure YOU will make your own conclusions re the reason 6 or more SL clubs are challenging the RFL executive. Back in the real world there is little doubt the owners are challenging the exec on corporate goverance.

Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"The rfl is a company ... The World Cup was a company ... Super league is also a company ... FIFA is a company, the rfu is a company ... The only "governing bodies" are in fact governments ... Do you not understand how it works? If you need further convincing start here: companycheck.co.uk/company/03845 ... house-docs The rfl is run like a business ...because it is a business... Also - having your ground bought isn't really to the benefit if the club ... In fact it's kind of a kiss of death ... Even if we do assume selling your ground gives you an advantage over other teams, as has been discussed, odsal isn't the only stadium to have its lease bought by the rfl - if it's the precedent that's set for teams in trouble then it's not like favourites has been played - your yet to argue any of my points about it being a prudent buy - talking of which: Playing favourites isn't favouritism :s But since you insist, the obvious example is the fa buying wembley as a land redevelopment ... The current callings out has nothing to do with helping Bradford ... You know that right? More to do with power plays and politics ...'" Your are clueless re sports governing bodies. Try a bit of research. Get hold of the RFL constitution then you may have a better idea. While you are at it check out the 'ownership' of the RFL and SLE..if you are interested in understanding RL. The suggestion that the Bulls did not benefit from the money they received for Odsal is laughable. Your suggestion wood and the execs cannot be preferring one club over another because wood supported fax is ridiculous. The evidence that buying odsal is the best use of around £1m for RL is 'unavailable'. Please do let me know of a sport governing bodies that bought the stadia / assets of some clubs but not others. While the RFL were pumping huge amounts of money into the Bulls they were failing to retain millions of Sport England funding - their Governing role !!

Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"The rfl is a company ... The World Cup was a company ... Super league is also a company ... FIFA is a company, the rfu is a company ... The only "governing bodies" are in fact governments ... Do you not understand how it works? If you need further convincing start here: companycheck.co.uk/company/03845 ... house-docs The rfl is run like a business ...because it is a business... Also - having your ground bought isn't really to the benefit if the club ... In fact it's kind of a kiss of death ... Even if we do assume selling your ground gives you an advantage over other teams, as has been discussed, odsal isn't the only stadium to have its lease bought by the rfl - if it's the precedent that's set for teams in trouble then it's not like favourites has been played - your yet to argue any of my points about it being a prudent buy - talking of which: Playing favourites isn't favouritism :s But since you insist, the obvious example is the fa buying wembley as a land redevelopment ... The current callings out has nothing to do with helping Bradford ... You know that right? More to do with power plays and politics ...'" Your are clueless re sports governing bodies. Try a bit of research. Get hold of the RFL constitution then you may have a better idea. While you are at it check out the 'ownership' of the RFL and SLE..if you are interested in understanding RL. The suggestion that the Bulls did not benefit from the money they received for Odsal is laughable. Your suggestion wood and the execs cannot be preferring one club over another because wood supported fax is ridiculous. The evidence that buying odsal is the best use of around £1m for RL is 'unavailable'. Please do let me know of a sport governing bodies that bought the stadia / assets of some clubs but not others. While the RFL were pumping huge amounts of money into the Bulls they were failing to retain millions of Sport England funding - their Governing role !!

1. So it is a private company?
2. Yes, thanks very much, everyone knew about the RFL Council already. They are different to a governing council. Do you know who is on the RFL council? Do you know what their remit is? When they have to be consulted? When a vote has to be taken? If you don't then it makes your statements irrelevant.

3. So which members were disadvantaged? Have they been disadvantaged in the past by other measures taken by the RFL in assisting clubs? Or only in this case?

4. You could have just said you haven't got a clue.

5. Why? Wouldn't you criticise Bulls staff? Its the Bulls staff that got them into this mess.
We know what the problems are (of the clubs), they've aired them. Not once did they mention Bradford or any other attempts to assist other clubs in this context. Their grievances are well known. The clubs are annoyed at the lack of commercial "nous" for want of a better word at the top of the RFL and the lack of direction. Nothing at all to do with the Bradford situation. But keep on making things up if it makes you happy. Or just keep saying the same things over and over without any evidence to back it up. You've been asked time and again for evidence of how much Bradford have benefitted compared to other clubs yet you can't provide it. It seems in your "real world" there's just you in it.

Everything is OK at Bradford Now.
After a day long meeting between all parties, the 3 amigos have been re-instated and are directing the company.....phew, I'm glad that's all over

Is the RFL council(which doesn't exist) anything like the RL council (which does exist) which is a different thing from the RFL?

You do realise that the RL council isn't the rfl, but the RFL, SL, chAmpionships and barla and the community game right? You understand that the RL council isn't just another name for the RFL board don't you, because you seem confused about it.

Based on this current farce, understandings by posters, the lack of positive news about anything RL since the World Cup, I am totally convinced that the game in this country has lot the plot in its current form.

Time for a total restructure from International level to Under 7's and a pro active system implementing.

Ah well I can only hope. At least Premier Sports and the NRL website etc keep my RL interest going

Going off topic a little, but what kind of system did you have in mind?

Not having a go by the way, genuine question.

Jesus. I'd hate to see what he'd have done to us if he'd hated us!

... So you're denying that the rfl is a business ... Right. Are you a troll? It's beginning to feel that way ...

I've read the charter, I've read the rules. I've read the salary cap rules, heck, I've even read the most recent proposals report - none of it changes the fact it's a business. Run like a business. And should be so.

Well bradford announced administration 3 months after the lease had been bought - so it can't of done that much good can it?

I didn't say can't, I said there's no evidence to suggest - bit of a difference.

Rfls goal isn't to secure sport England funding. It isn't to ensure super league has a sponsor, it is I fact:

Mission Statement
The Rugby Football League is committed to managing, developing and promoting Rugby League in order to provide excellent, high quality customer services for the whole Rugby League family.

Okay, I'm saying this one more time: there is no evidence to suggest the rfl buying the lease to odsal is them showing preference to any other team that has had financial difficulty. It has been done in the past for clubs in financial difficulty, and should the need rise again, and another club OFFER the rfl a lease to a stadium, there is no evidence to suggest the rfl won't continue with this precendent.

Agreed an overhaul of the whole system is needed the problem is under 7s and international team fall under two different governing bodies - we're never going to have a coherent system while that's the case

Who's said everything's ok? You are making things up AGAIN. Will you never learn?

[url=http://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news__video/article/8778/officials-report-progressLink to the actual press release[/url

I did. Can't you read?

It was an ironic statement given the number of false dawns we've had over at RFL favourites, Bradford Bulls in the last few months, not to mention years.


see above^
If you can't tell the difference between attempted humour and factual information delivery then I suggest you leave the boards now. I also have some bad news for you regarding Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

Chances are, I have forgotten more than you will ever learn, but as long as you keep biting, I'll keep posting





Which says that they are hopeful of sorting this out in the near future and that the 3 wise men are back in the saddle. Admittedly, not exactly what I posted, but hardly a time-zone out either.

I wonder how many times your bestest buddy Ryan got mentioned at today's gathering

Ok it's way off topic, but there is a certain answer about the RFL being a company. Scroll to the bottom of this page. www.therfl.co.uk/contact_us/answers The Rugby Football League Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 3845473. The registered address is Red Hall, Red Hall Lane, Leeds, LS17 8NB. The VAT Registration Number of The Rugby Football League Limited is 168 8110 49

Ok it's way off topic, but there is a certain answer about the RFL being a company. Scroll to the bottom of this page. www.therfl.co.uk/contact_us/answers The Rugby Football League Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 3845473. The registered address is Red Hall, Red Hall Lane, Leeds, LS17 8NB. The VAT Registration Number of The Rugby Football League Limited is 168 8110 49

If its paying a number of salaries would it not have to be registered as a company?

If you need to point out that you've attempted humour then you're clearly not funny. It's just sad that you have to constantly make things up to try and get attention. You're like a child.

And as for the comment about me biting? At least you're now admitting you're a troll.

Everybody but you got the humour, bottom line is, he WAS right

The key starting point is to get the game under the same umbrella in this country, run by people independent of club/league affiliations, with the authority to make the decisions for the betterment of the game.

That is the platform from which all other decisions need to develop from.

From that the next set of decisions, some which would put peoples noses out of joint, would be developed but that is another story.

Without the first step, the rest of the journey cannot continue.

Without that kind of cohesive force, the game at all levels will continue to lurch from crisis to small success back to crisis continuously as it does now.

Oh, and I realised this a long time ago, this would not be easy. It would need a complete change of attitude by people, something not easily done but without it the first step couldn't even be taken for a journey to benefit the game as a whole in this country and eventually the Northern Hemisphere.

I'd suggest giving Richard Lewis a call, perfect person to oversee something like that

Thought someone was being serious for a minute then I saw who posted it

A stopped clock is right twice a day, but that doesn't mean you should just believe what it says. The same is true about Gutterfax who is a proven liar who makes things up and calls them fact.

And as isn't humour meant to be funny? I think the word you're looking for is schadenfreude, the laughing at others misfortune.

While not always ' on the minute ' GF is more often than not ' within the hour ' and a lot closer to the truth than most, sarcasm, irony, whatever you call it, but the point being " If you didn't laugh you'd cry " is the best way of looking at the Circus that is RL