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| Quote ="LeedsDave"Think the RL 'family' did more than its bit for Bradford... but what can you do if they chose to waste the money on pre-match fireworks.'"
Those would be the ones donated by a local supplier for the wear it red campaign to raise cash for research and awareness of women's cancers?
No money of the Bull's money wasted there but you keep grasping for those straws.
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| The Bulls Captain must have called the toss wrong when they played the challenge cup match against the Broncos this year.
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| Quote ="wire quin"The Bulls Captain must have called the toss wrong when they played the challenge cup match against the Broncos this year.'"
Yah, and what a historic cup run you went on. Well, the last game had a historic score line..
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| I wonder how many on here have actually run a payroll?
It seems remarkably odd to me that the payment is delayed until 8th August - why? Once the bank are assured that there are funds in the account, then the payroll could be run immediately, I wonder what the delay is for and whether those employees who have gone overdrawn or been otherwise embarrassed have had a promise of full recompense?
FWIW I wish Bradford well and hope they come through as a Salford season ticket holder for many years I do know the gut wrenching feeling of constant promises of new dawns, each one false - but hopefully not this time for two heartland clubs!!
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Those would be the ones donated by a local supplier for the wear it red campaign to raise cash for research and awareness of women's cancers?
No money of the Bull's money wasted there but you keep grasping for those straws.'"
Pff at least I can afford straws
[size=50Also, I was making a joke re the fireworks so chill[/size
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| Quote ="gutterfax"...
Embarrass me? How? '"
Quote ="gutterfax"...Your club has still failed to pay it's 200k wage bill and the owner has had to re-mortgage investments to raise capital...yet I'm embarrassed? '"
Well, you are embarrassed because of the incorrect bull you gleefully posted shortly before the actual facts emerged. You know what you put. If you have short term memory problems you can even go back and read it. The (plainly obvious) fact that this has been an embarrassing episode for the club has nothing to do with you having made an utter tit of yourself.
Quote ="gutterfax"...Let's see what happens in 3 months time when the newest loan runs out....this guy doesn't strike me as a bottomless pit. '"
Arithmetic clearly isn't your strong point either, then? But leaving your innumeracy aside, yes let's see what happens in the future - for every business on the planet. Is there an alternative to doing that? Mystic Meg, maybe?
Quote ="gutterfax"..Embarrass me
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Not quite. You are embarrassing yourself, all by yourself, so we don't have to.
Quote ="gutterfax"..You're a loving heartland club for loves sake.....self sufficiency should be the bare bones of what you aspire to, not paying players DIRECT DEBIT LATE PAYMENT CHARGES because you've run out of cash
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Aww, bless. You've worked yourself up into such a lather, that now you're suggesting the Bulls "aspire to" cash flow issues. Don't you see why that kind of shiit makes you sound like a moron?
I mean I'm like trying to help you out here, but you make it impossible.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"What bugs me is the number of people who appear to want the Bulls to fail. Rugby League family?? As Jim Royle would say "my a*se".'"
I don't remember much sympathy from the bulls in 96 when leeds were struggling and they were riding high.
When lodon were struggling they voted them out. When wakefield and crusaders struggled they circled like vultures on their players.
I remember a tirade from their then media manager stuart duffy? in a 2006 matchday programme dedicated entirely to slagging leeds off and taking an abnormal and disturbing amount of pleasure in leeds lack of silverware, while their fat fans gleefully quaffed down pies and burgers, chuckling to themselves.
As long as their employees and players get gigs elsewhere I'm happy to see the club rot.
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Well, you are embarrassed because of the incorrect bull you gleefully posted shortly before the actual facts emerged. You know what you put. If you have short term memory problems you can even go back and read it. The (plainly obvious) fact that this has been an embarrassing episode for the club has nothing to do with you having made an utter tit of yourself.
Arithmetic clearly isn't your strong point either, then? But leaving your innumeracy aside, yes let's see what happens in the future - for every business on the planet. Is there an alternative to doing that? Mystic Meg, maybe?
Not quite. You are embarrassing yourself, all by yourself, so we don't have to.
Aww, bless. You've worked yourself up into such a lather, that now you're suggesting the Bulls "aspire to" cash flow issues. Don't you see why that kind of shiit makes you sound like a moron?
I mean I'm like trying to help you out here, but you make it impossible.'"
It's a shame your team can't show as much defiance and fight, as you clearly posess.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"It's a shame your team can't show as much defiance and fight, as you clearly posess.'"
That might have been true a couple of seasons ago in the case of several players (and I said so repeatedly) but in the main I have been very happy with the amount of dog in the current squad this year, especially given where we started from, and being on half money of everyone else. The Hull game was one example of it, as is the miracle that we are still live in the race for a top 8 spot despite having a 50% funding penalty.
They'll do for me.
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| Quote ="wire quin"[uThere were queues to get in last night.[/u
The Broncos chairman wasnt there because he is in Japan buying more ships for his oil business.
How much does a chicken Korma and rice cost?'"
Always the case when there's only 1 turnstile open. Still, 1's more than enough.
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| Quote wire quin wrote:
There were queues to get in last night.
The Broncos chairman wasnt there because he is in Japan buying more ships for his oil business.
How much does a chicken Korma and rice cost?
Always the case when there's only 1 turnstile open. Still, 1's more than enough.'"
Im assuming you didnt pick up on the pi5s taking in the post and fishing for thickets. Look in the mirror stupid and shake your head.
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| To be fair to Mr khan,when he took over he did say he was going to invest 2 million + into Bradford bulls and Odsal
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Not quite. You are embarrassing yourself, all by yourself, so we don't have to.'"
The Bulls took a short term Loan from the council we are told......around 200k. Then the 200k of wages are late being settled...the owner rides in with 900k, of which, 400k is already accounted for.
The last 3 home games at Oddslum this year feature 2 teams that bring their fans on a skateboard....the overwhelming majority of fans at those games will be made up of your 6,500 ST holders so there will be little income at the gate.....that 500k will only go so far.
On the topic of half the SKY Money.....it's not like Bradford didn't know they were a half mil down this year.......but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly, they have spent more than they could and their owner had to REACTIVELY re-mortgage other investments to give them enough cash to see out the season.
This loan was a REACTION to failings at Bradford to generate enough cash to pay the wage bill...dress it up how you like, it's not a good look for the club or the sport.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"The Bulls took a short term Loan from the council we are told......around 200k. Then the 200k of wages are late being settled...the owner rides in with 900k, of which, 400k is already accounted for.
The last 3 home games at Oddslum this year feature 2 teams that bring their fans on a skateboard....the overwhelming majority of fans at those games will be made up of your 6,500 ST holders so there will be little income at the gate.....that 500k will only go so far.
On the topic of half the SKY Money.....it's not like Bradford didn't know they were a half mil down this year.......but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly, they have spent more than they could and their owner had to REACTIVELY re-mortgage other investments to give them enough cash to see out the season.
This loan was a REACTION to failings at Bradford to generate enough cash to pay the wage bill...dress it up how you like, it's not a good look for the club or the sport.'"
Seriously, apart from the £200k loan from the council, the rest of your figures seem to be plucked straight out of the air.
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| Seriously. What on earth is going on at the Bulls? I thought they were OK? Is it all just rumour and media negative hype?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"The Bulls took a short term Loan from the council we are told......around 200k. Then the 200k of wages are late being settled...the owner rides in with 900k, of which, 400k is already accounted for.
The last 3 home games at Oddslum this year feature 2 teams that bring their fans on a skateboard....the overwhelming majority of fans at those games will be made up of your 6,500 ST holders so there will be little income at the gate.....that 500k will only go so far.
On the topic of half the SKY Money.....it's not like Bradford didn't know they were a half mil down this year.......but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly, they have spent more than they could and their owner had to REACTIVELY re-mortgage other investments to give them enough cash to see out the season.
This loan was a REACTION to failings at Bradford to generate enough cash to pay the wage bill...dress it up how you like, it's not a good look for the club or the sport.'"
We have cut the cloth accordingly, we are spending no where near the cap. Look at the players we have lost, Kopczak, Jefferies, Burgess, Elima, Hargreaves, Whitehead, Crookes, Sibbitt, Ainscough, Pryce, Joseph. We do need a squad you know!
Omar took over a club that was literally days from folding. He has had to start from the bottom up. Maybe ticket sales and gate crowds weren't as high as had been hoped. Omar is plugging the gap the same way Ken Davy is at Huddersfield, David Hughes is at London and Abamovich is at Chelsea.
I agree probably not good for the sport with us in the headlines about not paying our players again, certainly won't aid the sport in getting a sponsor, but i think some people need to calm down, we're not on the verge of going bust again.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"...Oddslum ...'"
Your puerile verbiage just lost you the right to be taken even remotely seriously. Goodbye.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"Seriously, apart from the £200k loan from the council, the rest of your figures seem to be plucked straight out of the air.'"
Out of the air eh....
The 200k wage bill was widely reported, [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/10581170.RFL_join_Khan_in_insisting_Bradford_Bulls_are_not_back_on_the_brink/here[/url as was the 6,500 ST ([url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/10402241.Bradford_Bulls_pay_plan_to_hit____magic_10_000____season_tickets/here[/url) holders and the 900k the owner has just raised from re-financing his assets [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10587678.Bradford_Bulls_owner_Omar_Khan_injects___900_000_to_pay_wages/here[/url.
900k less the 200k council loan = 700k
700k less the 200k wages that are owed= 500k
London and Catalan away fans do travel by skateboard
the SKY money is actually about 600k light..see [url=http://www.superleaguefans.com/forum/thread-12471.htmlhere[/url
Nothing was plucked out of the air other than the business plan that has failed to deliver the expected revenues at Bradford and therefore required this 900k to be raised by the owner.
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Your puerile verbiage just lost you the right to be taken even remotely seriously. Goodbye.'"
in other words you know I am right, but will use my calling your ground a slum to retreat...
...this saga at Bradford isn't over...not by a long stretch.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Out of the air eh....
The 200k wage bill was widely reported, [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/10581170.RFL_join_Khan_in_insisting_Bradford_Bulls_are_not_back_on_the_brink/here[/url as was the 6,500 ST ([url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/10402241.Bradford_Bulls_pay_plan_to_hit____magic_10_000____season_tickets/here[/url) holders and the 900k the owner has just raised from re-financing his assets [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10587678.Bradford_Bulls_owner_Omar_Khan_injects___900_000_to_pay_wages/here[/url.
900k less the 200k council loan = 700k
700k less the 200k wages that are owed= 500k
London and Catalan away fans do travel by skateboard
the SKY money is actually about 600k light..see [url=http://www.superleaguefans.com/forum/thread-12471.htmlhere[/url
Nothing was plucked out of the air other than the business plan that has failed to deliver the expected revenues at Bradford and therefore required this 900k to be raised by the owner.'"
And what of the money OK has invested in the club prior to this amount? Have you taken that amount into consideration with your rant? I don't believe you have. Just so you know, that figure is close to £800k.
Also, that loan, like all loans won't be paid off in a single lump sum. It'll be paid of in installments.
The money is there to plug funding gaps, such as the ones you've pointed out like London and Catalan fans could turn up in a minibus and still stop to pick up a hitchhiker on the way. But the club has also put things in place to try and encourage more people to attend those games, such as an offer on groupon for cheap tickets for both games as well as offering friend for £5 for the Catalan game.
But as you point out the Sky money is about £600k light. But the investment, so far, is over £1.7 million excluding outside loans.
As much as you and others might wish for a further financial crisis at Bradford, it doesn't look like it's coming any time soon.
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| Quote To be fair to Mr khan,when he took over he did say he was going to invest 2 million + into Bradford bulls and Odsal'"
David Hughes puts that into the Broncos each year!!
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| Quote ="wire quin"David Hughes puts that into the Broncos each year up to now. He's likely to pull the plug next year cos he's flogging a dead horse which has the RFL ting bricks and could explain why noone wants to play for them anymore. '"
Edited for accuracy. Incredibly (I know this is hard to believe) Bradford Bulls weren't the first club to go bust and they aren't going to be the last. People can patronise and talk about how well their club it run but irrespective of who you support your club probably has gone bust before and probably will do again at some point.
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