You are still clearly and obviously wrong, even embarrasing your fellow Wigan fans with your wrongness.

Congratulations to Wigan on the fantastic season they have had.

I have to give Smokey credit, his ability to win arguments through sheer attrition is unrivaled on these boards

I liken him to a child nagging his parents for a new toy until they give in and buy him it.

What was that?

Facts are facts my friend. I will not debate opinion with you. Fact is, Wigan are #1, Senior & Junior, at least until October 2014.

and as was pointed out to you before Winning academy leagues isn’t the point of an academy. Bringing them through to SL is. Both Wigan and Leeds, as well as saints bring through good numbers of youngsters, and Leeds performances at youth level dropped off when the better academy players were moved up to senior level and they still got to the youth level GF. This is evidence of success at youth development level, not failure.

The facts are that Leeds, Saints and Wigans youth development structures are so far ahead of everyone else’s any difference between them is so small as to be inconsequential.

Yeah but we're the best yeah, so no arguments

My dad's bigger than your dad

That's true I've seen him going into Jacamo.

and on that note mr peer,i thank you very much and very well done from the widnes vikings,also the mass walk before full time should now be known as the wolf migration.12 men we only need 12 men.

Wolf migration, I like it!

Hull have Horne and formerly Cooke as home grown halfs during our most successful period of superleague. In the 2006 grand final we had 8 players who came through our ranks. 13 of the 17 that played in that final were english. We played 2 games that season where we only had one overseas player in the 17. on one of those occasions, 14 of the 16 were lads that had come through the acadamy.

It finally feels like we are trying to go down that route again.

The Warrington Waddle more like!!

I call it the Wire Wobble, goes well alongside the Saints Shuffle and the Leeds Lollop.

haha.