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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Sorry Kosh but he is talking like he is billy big testicles.
He has been in the sport about 6 months? and so far he has all but told the RFL how to run the sport and pretty much stated that he is going to buy FC to the top of the sport.'"
Or maybe he trying to distance himself as much as he can from the previous regime at Hull. Pearson isn't interested in what the rest of the RL world think, only what his own teams supporters are.
Pearson has ideas he wants to share with the RFL and stuff he disagrees with. He won't be the only with such views.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm sorry - I didn't realise that AP had the ability to force other clubs to sell contracted players. How very dare he offer them a large sum of cash and then force them to accept it? It must be hell for the poor dears.
Maybe you should be asking why your club is willing to flog off the family silver rather than pointing a finger and a trembly lip at the big bad man from the East. Could it possibly be because they've been offered a fair price?'"
It's not so much at Hull but in general. The compensation system in League is ludicrous. How is it fair that a player, who a club has invested lots of money in and brought through gets paid what I consider to be peanuts if they leave for nothing under the age of 23?
And not so much at Chase but the constant cherry-picking of those with money for the best young/stars at other clubs.
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| Quote ="Fully"Shows how little you know about Cas.
15 Cas home-grown players in squad this year, 16 if you count Ferres who is from Cas. If not, 16 not come from Cas. An equilibrium.
And if it's that poor, why have we had offers for Daryl Clark and why have Shenton, Arundel, Westerman all left.'"
They must be something in the wind that translates my posts into west riding. I have never said Castlesford youth system is poor and if I did it would have purely being for sarcastic purposes. The point is you said whats the point of developing youth if you can buy other peoples players. I was merely pointing out that Cas themselves sign other teams players and if your youth set up was fantastic you wouldn't need to do so. Thats not to say it is poor just every now again a bad egg is laid which means clubs have to explore elsewhere.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Or maybe he trying to distance himself as much as he can from the previous regime at Hull. Pearson isn't interested in what the rest of the RL world think, only what his own teams supporters are.
Pearson has ideas he wants to share with the RFL and stuff he disagrees with. He won't be the only with such views.'" And all that means he has to gob off and state how he is going to spend silly money almost daily does it?
With the greatest of respect I don't think he has properly adjusted to the difference between RL and the association game.
Daily reminders about how 'I have loads of cash' and 'I will spend silly money' makes him sound like he thinks he is billy big testicles.
Sorry.
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"Why, don't you like to have a debate about how poop your youth set up is, and why you have to buy a new team every year? Or don't you like that question???????'"
Our youth setup has being poor and under invested in for 10 years. We have made changes and investments and now play the waiting game. What else is they to say on the matter ?
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| Quote ="pmarrow"The point I was making was not that Castlefords youth system is poor.'"
If it is so poor, I wish other teams would stop taking our players (particularly yours - Lynch, Westerman, Arundle). Next year we will have 15 (16 if Danny Orr doesn't retire) home-grown players in our full-time squad, most of whom will be in the first choice 17.
There are lots of things wrong with Castleford Tigers, but developing young players in definately not one of them.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"And all that means he has to gob off and state how he is going to spend silly money almost daily does it?
With the greatest of respect I don't think he has properly adjusted to the difference between RL and the association game.
Daily reminders about how 'I have loads of cash' and 'I will spend silly money' makes him sound like he thinks he is billy big testicles.
Sorry.'"
I just personally feel you have a hatred for him and you will let that get in the way of any judgement you make on his comments.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"If it is so poor, I wish other teams would stop taking our players (particularly yours - Lynch, Westerman, Arundle). Next year we will have 15 (16 if Danny Orr doesn't retire) home-grown players in our full-time squad, most of whom will be in the first choice 17.
There are lots of things wrong with Castleford Tigers, but developing young players in definately not one of them.'"
Read posts before you reply to them, generally a good idea.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"They must be something in the wind that translates my posts into west riding.
I have never said Castlesford youth system is poor and if I did it would have purely being for sarcastic purposes. The point is you said whats the point of developing youth if you can buy other peoples players. I was merely pointing out that Cas themselves sign other teams players and if your youth set up was fantastic you wouldn't need to do so. Thats not to say it is poor just every now again a bad egg is laid which means clubs have to explore elsewhere.'"
My bad. Misread your post - apologies.
Everyone gets in players of other teams. But most clubs supplement the few they have with their own youngsters - look at Leeds and Wigan.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Read posts before you reply to them, generally a good idea.'"
Sorry, misread it even when I quoted you.
Though Lynch is still your best player.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"It's interesting that you seem to know the details of Chase's contract discussions. Can you do me a favour and provide some specific evidence that Cas "guaranteed movement on the stadium front", or have you just made this up?
It's also worth pointing out that Millward was the coach when Chase signed his extension, and Chase looked very happy to do so on the photograph of them together when this was announced. Watching the team every week, I could criticise Millward plently, but he has not changed the way Chase plays. In fact he seems to have given him more freedom (I think the word 'structure' is alien to Millward), and has the most try assists in SL despite missing about 6 games.'"
What evidence do you exactly want ?
Its plainly obvious that for Rangi to sign a four year deal he would want clarification on the stadium front as I would say if it wasn't for Bradford you would be probably favorites to drop out of SL next time round. They is noway a player would sign a contract without knowing if the club plans to improve on that front. Obviousley at the time of the deal Millward was coach but Rangi had not worked under him and everyone smiles for photos.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Sorry, misread it even when I quoted you.
Though Lynch is still your best player.'"
I'd disagree about that, he is a great leader and has being a great player for us but I wouldn't say he is the best. I reckon Briscoe, Manu and Houghton are all in front of him IMO.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Its plainly obvious that for Rangi to sign a four year deal he would want clarification on the stadium front'"
You are aware that at the minute Cas can't do anything stadium wise because the plans are sat on somebodies desk at what is apparently Tesco, right?
But based on your posts on the last couple of pages, you probably didn't and you're really not making any sense either.
Quote I'd disagree about that, he is a great leader and has being a great player for us but I wouldn't say he is the best. I reckon Briscoe, Manu and Houghton are all in front of him IMO.'"
So a player from the 5 towns area, a player poached from Cas and one of the few players Hull have actually been able to produce from the city.
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| Quote ="Fully"My bad. Misread your post - apologies.
Everyone gets in players of other teams. But most clubs supplement the few they have with their own youngsters - look at Leeds and Wigan.'"
That is something we are aiming for as a long term goal. AP said in an interview the other day that he wants / the team needs to be full of England knights and England players. Hopefully in five seasons time we will all be patting the club on the back for achieving this but only time will tell.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"You are aware that at the minute Cas can't do anything stadium wise because the plans are sat on somebodies desk at what is apparently Tesco, right?
But based on your posts on the last couple of pages, you probably didn't and you're really not making any sense either.'"
I generally don't make sense when people read something they didn't want to. Its most peoples way of brushing it under the carpet.
Quote ="Gronk!"So a player from the 5 towns area, a player poached from Cas and one of the few players Hull have actually been able to produce from the city.'"
What is your point ?
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"And all that means he has to gob off and state how he is going to spend silly money almost daily does it?
With the greatest of respect I don't think he has properly adjusted to the difference between RL and the association game.
Daily reminders about how 'I have loads of cash' and 'I will spend silly money' makes him sound like he thinks he is billy big testicles.
Sorry.'"
Probably right. One sport knows its worth, & is run profesionally. The other is rugby league.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"What evidence do you exactly want ?
Its plainly obvious that for Rangi to sign a four year deal he would want clarification on the stadium front as I would say if it wasn't for Bradford you would be probably favorites to drop out of SL next time round. They is noway a player would sign a contract without knowing if the club plans to improve on that front. Obviousley at the time of the deal Millward was coach but Rangi had not worked under him and everyone smiles for photos.
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It's just that you stated it as a fact, rather than what you think, which is very different.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"I just personally feel you have a hatred for him and you will let that get in the way of any judgement you make on his comments.'" Incorrect.
I was previously a City season pass holder until it became that silly money was needed just to pay for one due to the amounts needed just to survive (not AP's fault).
So I actually hold AP in high regard.
Perhaps you as an FC fan are blinded to how he sounds as he is your knight is shining armour.
Infact seeing as I hold AP in high regard I think this is far more likely don't you?
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| Quote ="pmarrow"What is your point ?'"
For such a supposedly rugby mad city there's hardly any players in the league from Hull.
Where as small towns like Wigan & Cas can produce a large amount of players who are dotted around pretty much every team in the league and McRae the hypocrite with Pearson's money are going to poach these players instead of trying to produce local talent themselves.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"It's just that you stated it as a fact, rather than what you think, which is very different.'"
Its a small world and word of mouth gets round. I have heard things as to why Chase wants out of Cas. These are reasons I am told, however I will apologize if I stated them as fact (sometimes get on one in rant mode) because as you say they is no hard evidence to suggest these are true. I do believe the guys who told me though never being wrong thus far.
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"Probably right. One sport knows its worth, & is run profesionally. The other is rugby league.'" Indeed.
Association football isn't corrupt to it's core at all.
That still doesn't change the fact that AP seems to think that money isn't an issue and that in itself isn't a bad thing as far as he can see.
I do wonder how far he will go though if his latest splurge doesn't bring results seeing as his track record indicates that he normally likes to run a very tight ship.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Incorrect.
I was previously a City season pass holder until it became that silly money was needed just to pay for one due to the amounts needed just to survive (not AP's fault).
So I actually hold AP in high regard.
Perhaps you as an FC fan are blinded to how he sounds as he is your knight is shining armour.
Infact seeing as I hold AP in high regard I think this is far more likely don't you?'"
I definitley don't see him as the knight in shining armour, they is a long way to go before he can be even classed as that, I just understand after all the bad stuff going on at Hull over the past few seasons it needs a lot of positive news. AP is a smart business man and knows this, hence why he feels the constant need during a tough patch on the pitch to remind supporters of the investments and that they is money available to improve the squad. Sure it may get tiring but if it creates a buzz and gets more people to go to games then I am all for it.
If AP had appeared on SSN every day this week loving himself up I would have thought you had a point. However all interviews have being purely for local media and on the FC club website as a message to Hull FC fans. Whether you hold him in high regard or not, you probably are just jealous your club are not in a simular position at the moment to buy such players.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"For such a supposedly rugby mad city there's hardly any players in the league from Hull.
Where as small towns like Wigan & Cas can produce a large amount of players who are dotted around pretty much every team in the league and McRae the hypocrite with Pearson's money are going to poach these players instead of trying to produce local talent themselves.'"
I have said our youth has being vastly under invested in the last ten seasons. We have invested this season so hopefully we can get back on track within a few seasons. Now are you Cas fans going to take a and realize this point or are you all going to have little tantrums about our youth set up and need us to continue pointing this out.
If I was bothered about getting into a big dick contest I'd name all the Hull born players, but as it don't matter I won't.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"I definitley don't see him as the knight in shining armour, they is a long way to go before he can be even classed as that, I just understand after all the bad stuff going on at Hull over the past few seasons it needs a lot of positive news. AP is a smart business man and knows this, hence why he feels the constant need during a tough patch on the pitch to remind supporters of the investments and that they is money available to improve the squad. Sure it may get tiring but if it creates a buzz and gets more people to go to games then I am all for it.
If AP had appeared on SSN every day this week loving himself up I would have thought you had a point. However all interviews have being purely for local media and on the FC club website as a message to Hull FC fans. Whether you hold him in high regard or not, you probably are just jealous your club are not in a simular position at the moment to buy such players.'" Again incorrect.
I'm to long in the tooth to do jealousy over sporting teams I got past that a fair while ago.
I have my health, my wife, my kids and my family and friends and THAT is all that is really important
As a club and a fanbase HKR are where we are that is just the way it is.
Like I said as an FC fan you are not in a position to see how it looks to others.
He sounds like a billy to me.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Again incorrect.
I'm to long in the tooth to do jealousy over sporting teams I got past that a fair while ago.
We are where we are that is just the way it is.
Like I said as an FC fan you are not in a position to see how it looks to others.
He sounds like a billy to me.'"
Fair enough. He did haggle Cas down from there 350k price though, which suggest to me he isn't going to throw stupid money about if its not 100% warranted. If that wasn't the case he would have got Chase earlier in the season.
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