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| Reckon we could get a list of the serious suggestions we've had so far?
There's been some pretty good discussion here, but unfortunately there's also a lot of wannabe comedians doing really poor jokes as well.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Reckon we could get a list of the serious suggestions we've had so far?
There's been some pretty good discussion here, but unfortunately there's also a lot of wannabe comedians doing really poor jokes as well.'"
Bet you're a right laugh on a night out
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Bet you're a right laugh on a night out'"
There's a difference between trying to be funny and being funny without trying.
And I'll assure you, I'm a hoot on a night out!
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Reckon we could get a list of the serious suggestions we've had so far?
There's been some pretty good discussion here, but unfortunately there's also a lot of wannabe comedians doing really poor jokes as well.'"
Thats because its a really stupid thread
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| Call it 'The Bronco League'
That seems to be a great way of papering over cracks and making things better, so i hear.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Thats because its a really stupid thread'"
When 99% of what you say is negative or complaining about something, it's hard to really care about it.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13" Except in Australia, where RL is biggest. '"
It is indeed. Therefore, they are not desperately trying to find a new name, in a vain attempt to generate a broader interest in it.
Quote ="Wellsy13"Last time I checked, we were gaining clubs.'"
Gaining and losing. Those we have already are struggling, even with a lowered salary cap. Just because we are adding new clubs, doesn’t mean everything is rosy. That is a very naïve view.
Quote ="Wellsy13"Clubs have been struggling in the lower leagues for years, in all sports, at semi pro level. Can you name a significant amount of time when they weren't?'"
Clubs have indeed struggled for years, but things are even tougher now. There were all kinds of competitions that gave lower league clubs games with top class clubs: Yorks & Lancs Cup, Challenge Cup, Regal & Floodlit Trophy, &c. Now there is only the Challenge Cup, and that is slowly losing its appeal to SL fans; appalling attendances over recent years a proof in point. Some SL club chairmen and players have talked about wanting to get involved in a later round, to avoid extra games against lower league opposition.
Add to that the impetus generated by P&R in the lower leagues, which has now been lost, and it is causing an apathy amongst communities where the game was once so strong. I don’t recall ever seeing so many clubs go to the wall, as I have in the last 3 or 4 years. It is not merely down to recession. There is a much deeper malaise amongst lower league clubs which cuts much deeper than that. The lower leagues seem to be treated as an afterthought in Red Hall and all it ever gets in help are ridiculous gimmicks that it would never introduce to Super League. (Although, to be fair, SL does have ‘Club Call’)
Quote ="Wellsy13" All it proves is that some fans will look so hard for something to complain about that they'll actually make up facts to back up a point that isn't there. It's called being a cynic.'"
I think that there is a certain amount of weary cynicism, but I really do not have to look too hard to see the problems. I admit that I don’t have the answers but neither, it seems, do those at Red Hall. I guess that’s why they are putting all their eggs in the Super League basket in the hope that this alone will increase interest in the game nation wide, and away from small industrial towns and pit villages. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is always a massive risk. You can lose a lot more than you gain which, in time, could weaken the sport even further.
The lower leagues have been cast adrift and left to rot, and do not receive enough central funding, as almost everything is put into Super League. That is where Red Hall is concentrating its effort. It is now the be all and end all of the sport at a pro level. Rugby League, in this county, [iis[/i Super League.
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| Quote ="Pepe"It is indeed. Therefore, they are not desperately trying to find a new name, in a vain attempt to generate a broader interest in it. '"
Indeed they aren't. They are the dominant code of football in the most populous areas, therefore they can call it that. However, they wouldn't try calling it that in AFL strong areas, they call it something else. So why do we insist on "rugby" in the rugby union strongholds I don't know, and we definitely can't call it footy!
Quote ="Pepe"Gaining and losing. Those we have already are struggling, even with a lowered salary cap. Just because we are adding new clubs, doesn’t mean everything is rosy. That is a very naïve view. '"
How many clubs have we lost in the last decade? Blackpool.
What about the decade before that?
How many clubs have we gained in the last decade? Skolars, Crusaders, Scorpions
How many clubs did we gain in the decade before that?
I never said it was all rosy. I said that we were gaining clubs, and we are. You said we were losing clubs, and we aren't. We've lost A club. We lost more clubs in the decade before. So how are things much worse?
Quote ="Pepe"Clubs have indeed struggled for years, but things are even tougher now. There were all kinds of competitions that gave lower league clubs games with top class clubs: Yorks & Lancs Cup, Challenge Cup, Regal & Floodlit Trophy, &c. Now there is only the Challenge Cup, and that is slowly losing its appeal to SL fans; appalling attendances over recent years a proof in point. Some SL club chairmen and players have talked about wanting to get involved in a later round, to avoid extra games against lower league opposition.
Add to that the impetus generated by P&R in the lower leagues, which has now been lost, and it is causing an apathy amongst communities where the game was once so strong.'"
Once the top league became full time, it was always going to be harder for some of the small town clubs to compete. It's about finding your level, and clubs have struggled trying to get to a level they clearly aren't ready for.
Quote ="Pepe"I don’t recall ever seeing so many clubs go to the wall, as I have in the last 3 or 4 years.'"
Blackpool? Who else?
A lot of clubs have been in administration recently, but a lot in the past have as well.
Quote ="Pepe"It is not merely down to recession.'"
How can you be so sure? Sports clubs across the country are struggling. Why are RL clubs different?
Quote ="Pepe"There is a much deeper malaise amongst lower league clubs which cuts much deeper than that. The lower leagues seem to be treated as an afterthought in Red Hall and all it ever gets in help are ridiculous gimmicks that it would never introduce to Super League. (Although, to be fair, SL does have ‘Club Call’)'"
Apart from the different points system, what other gimmicks have been introduced?
What amazing treatment do lower league clubs in other sports get that RL clubs are missing out on?
Quote ="Pepe"I think that there is a certain amount of weary cynicism, but I really do not have to look too hard to see the problems. I admit that I don’t have the answers but neither, it seems, do those at Red Hall. I guess that’s why they are putting all their eggs in the Super League basket in the hope that this alone will increase interest in the game nation wide, and away from small industrial towns and pit villages. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is always a massive risk. You can lose a lot more than you gain which, in time, could weaken the sport even further.
The lower leagues have been cast adrift and left to rot, and do not receive enough central funding, as almost everything is put into Super League. That is where Red Hall is concentrating its effort. It is now the be all and end all of the sport at a pro level. '"
Super League is what makes the money, gets the attention and is going to help the international team. It's the same for any other sport that their top league is the be all and end all. And isn't there more central funding for lower league teams now than ever?
Should we just call football "Premier League"?
Quote ="Pepe"Rugby League, in this county, [iis[/i Super League.'"
No, it is not. When people play the game, are they thinking SL?
You're just thinking from purely a spectator point of view.
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| Sitcomball
We add a completely pointless laughter track to every tackle. Every game has an extra special message about running away etc. Flagging clubs get special guests in who are introduced to whooping from a fake audience. Rename the matches episodes. Commentary by Norm from Cheers.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"Sitcomball
We add a completely pointless laughter track to every tackle. Every game has an extra special message about running away etc. Flagging clubs get special guests in who are introduced to whooping from a fake audience. Rename the matches episodes. Commentary by Norm from Cheers.'"
That would actually be a good skit on the Footy Show.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"That would actually be a good skit on the Footy Show.'"
Just to check....if they produced a skit of this, would it invalidate it as a serious rebranding idea for rugby league?
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"Just to check....if they produced a skit of this, would it invalidate it as a serious rebranding idea for rugby league?'"
I don't think it would matter either way really, do you?
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"When 99% of what you say is negative or complaining about something, it's hard to really care about it.'"
More like 50 percent , it's just that people arguing against me makes it looks like 99 percent
There is no reason to change the name of our sport , it fine as it is , it's marketing that will get it recognised as a different sport to Union , not a different name
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| Quote ="Starbug"More like 50 percent , it's just that people arguing against me makes it looks like 99 percent'"
I was tempted to say 100% as I don't believe I've seen a positive one, but I'm sure there MUST be one somewhere!
Quote ="Starbug"There is no reason to change the name of our sport , it fine as it is , it's marketing that will get it recognised as a different sport to Union , not a different name'"
There IS a reason to change the name of our sport, clearly.
You just don't think that reason is a good reason. That's your opinion, fair enough. But there are plenty that disagree (which is why the subject has come up numerous times in the past) so it's not a "stupid thread" (that's the cynic in you complaining about everything again).
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"I was tempted to say 100% as I don't believe I've seen a positive one, but I'm sure there MUST be one somewhere!
There IS a reason to change the name of our sport, clearly.
You just don't think that reason is a good reason. That's your opinion, fair enough. But there are plenty that disagree (which is why the subject has come up numerous times in the past) so it's not a "stupid thread" (that's the cynic in you complaining about everything again).'"
For us to change the name , would be to admit defeat
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| Quote ="Starbug"For us to change the name , would be to admit defeat'"
Or be a sign of intent that we don't want to be compared to them.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Or be a sign of intent that we don't want to be compared to them.'"
Sorry I thought the idea was to compare , I thought we had the superior game ?
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"I don't think it would matter either way really, do you?
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Just covering my bases.
Hang on!
Basesball. The bases being the two in goal areas.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Sorry I thought the idea was to compare , I thought we had the superior game ?'"
On the field we do. That's about it. Judging by the majority of your posts, that's not good enough.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"On the field we do. That's about it. Judging by the majority of your posts, that's not good enough.'"
Stop ' twittering on ' about my other posts ,FFS grow up , we don't need to change our name , it is fine as it is , changing it wouldn't make one iotas difference to how we are perceived or the attention we would get from the mass media
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| Quote ="Starbug"Stop ' twittering on ' about my other posts ,FFS grow up , we don't need to change our name , it is fine as it is , changing it wouldn't make one iotas difference to how we are perceived or the attention we would get from the mass media'"
You're telling me to grow up whilst having a little paddy, the irony!
All of this is just your opinion. You've expressed it. I've challenged it (apparently I'm not allowed to). You're saying we should want to be compared as we're the better game, but all the complaining you do about other parts of the game make you wonder why you'd want us to be compared, and it's a very valid point.
You can't just expect people to discard the other things you've said for no reason and then just do as you say. It doesn't quite work like that.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Nastyball.'"
Now , now , pack it in , Wellsy says
Quote Reckon we could get a list of the serious suggestions we've had so far?
There's been some pretty good discussion here,=#FF0000 but unfortunately there's also a lot of wannabe comedians doing really poor jokes as well. '"
This is a serious thread about a serious subject
My personal favourite is the Geoffrey one
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| Dickball
only people called Richard are allowed to participate.
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| Serious Rugby League.
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