I think that the wingers are far better - if Reed is as good as everyone says (I haven't seen much NRL this year) then I would agree

That was my thinking that while I think it's too early to properly judge Reed, in their pomp Gleeson and Senior were better than Yeaman but Calderwood and Gardner tip it in favour of the class of 2011.

In saying that neither Gleeson or Senior did that well against Australia.
Gleeson has the grand total of 1 try against Australia.
What did Senior get? around 3 against Australia.
Hardly weapons in the position you expect to be scoring most of your points.

It's also probably worth checking how they did against a top quality international team like New Zealand

What did they get? I cant be d looking.
NZ have been the Kings of winning the big games against Australia their record is something like 2 wins in 16 games
the fact that has been a WC win and a 4 Nations is great.
The fact they can not beat Australia consistently and are often flogged by Australia raises some questions.
Gleeson has always been over rated at Test level.
Senior has lived on a reputation of being a Bully in SL that the Aussies do not regard or respect so other than one game he has been ineffective.

In the last 18 encounters between the two, Australia have won 13, New Zealand 4 and there has been one draw

Australia have won all 7 of the Anzac/test matches, four group games in the tri/quad nations, a world cup group game and a Tri Nations final

New Zealand have won one Tri Nations group match, two Tri/Quad Nations Finals and a World Cup final

I guess the conclusion is that Australia are a good team but bottle the big games

wunderkind jack reed has done absolutely bog all this morning.....telling though that most of manly's tries came down his side of the field...not to mention him gifting manly a try via a wayward dummy half pass.....then a passenger for the rest of the game..


some of you need your heads reading if you think he's better than what we already have or better than keeping briscoe & yeaman together

You've obviously just watched a different game to me! The problem down that wing was not Jack Reed but his winger Dale Copley. He had an awful first half; headbutting the ball out of Jack Reed's hands when he was over the line and about to score, and then dropping the ball 10 meters from his own line a minute later to give away a try!
Copley's game was redeemed slightly near the end when he scored in the corner from a beautiful catch and pass from errrrr... Jack Reed.

Can you show me anything that Kirk Yeaman has done this year that is better than this?

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This was against the NRL Minor Premiers. To say that he shouldn't be in contention for the centre spot is ridiculous.

That [iis[/i a bad half.

Quote ="Shoe Shine Johnny"Can you show me anything that Kirk Yeaman has done this year that is better than this? [urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy__9UWH0Ro[/url This was against the NRL Minor Premiers. To say that he shouldn't be in contention for the centre spot is ridiculous.'" that try owes itself to bad ridiculously bad defending,from the minor premiers no less, that awesome play,as i've stated before that melbourne winger actually runs away from reed as he nears the tryline and one of kirk yeamans...at least here he actually hands people off www.youtube.com/watch?v=twXRrRZT ... age#t=271s

Quote ="Shoe Shine Johnny"Can you show me anything that Kirk Yeaman has done this year that is better than this? [urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy__9UWH0Ro[/url This was against the NRL Minor Premiers. To say that he shouldn't be in contention for the centre spot is ridiculous.'" that try owes itself to bad ridiculously bad defending,from the minor premiers no less, that awesome play,as i've stated before that melbourne winger actually runs away from reed as he nears the tryline and one of kirk yeamans...at least here he actually hands people off www.youtube.com/watch?v=twXRrRZT ... age#t=271s

Quote ="roughyedspud"that try owes itself to bad ridiculously bad defending,from the minor premiers no less, that awesome Centre play,as i've stated before that melbourne winger actually runs away from reed as he nears the tryline and one of kirk yeamans...at least here he actually hands people off www.youtube.com/watch?v=twXRrRZT ... age#t=271s'" Yeah those two clips, and defences, were quite comparable. You are making yourself look a little foolish here. Reed is declared for England he is amongst the top 4-5 centres available for selection. He will train with the squad and maybe get a game against the French. You don't agree with the selection - that is fine. But to infer he isn't in the top 4-5 English qualified centres on current form is laughable.

Quote ="roughyedspud"that try owes itself to bad ridiculously bad defending,from the minor premiers no less, that awesome Centre play,as i've stated before that melbourne winger actually runs away from reed as he nears the tryline and one of kirk yeamans...at least here he actually hands people off www.youtube.com/watch?v=twXRrRZT ... age#t=271s'" Yeah those two clips, and defences, were quite comparable. You are making yourself look a little foolish here. Reed is declared for England he is amongst the top 4-5 centres available for selection. He will train with the squad and maybe get a game against the French. You don't agree with the selection - that is fine. But to infer he isn't in the top 4-5 English qualified centres on current form is laughable.

oh right....so yeamans try is a "freakish solo effort" too then? if the defences are comparable? it most be freakish...no?


and no....saying he's worthy of selection just cos he plays in the NRL is laughable


i really do want him picked against france...then you'll all see ordinary he is....and without gus gould blowing him just cos he made a simple pass

Who is saying that? Not me. I have watched all the NRL games on Premier Sports and Reed has been very strong. Have you been watching the NRL this year?

Along with Yeaman, Atkins, Bridge and Tomkins he is in the top 5 centres we have available. He should be in the squad on form along with those others. There is nothing else too it. If he gets found out in the French game fine - his place should be under threat. We are talking about a National side who has had Leroy Cudjoe and Tony Clubb in the centres within the last 12 months!