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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Its not bitterness mate. '"
Really?
Quote ="Tricky2309"Player development - Look around SL and see how many players have been developed at Wakey'" why aren't they still at your club then?
Quote ="Tricky2309"Finances - We are averaging nearly 7k at home whereas Quins are averaging 2,500. You can't sustain the business without David Hughes.'" spot on....but we are debt free....you went bust not long ago..rules is rules.
Quote ="Tricky2309"Stadium - what does it matter if there are only 2,500 or less in it. '"
are you for real.......... stadiums are key....just coz you lot didn't get your fingers out don't start saying stadiums don't matter...they do.
Quote ="Tricky2309"Marketing - better than Quins (you can't deny it cos your always saying how crap Quins marketing is)'" ......I know personally how good your marketing is........but I don't believe that's a criteria.
Quote ="Tricky2309"Look at the teams performances this season. 15 of 17 british players yesterday and without the points deduction we would be ahead of a number of clubs including Quins in the league.'"
as I said.......performance is a point for Wakey.
Quote ="Tricky2309"Despite all the problems in pre-season Wakey are on the up and have improved things.'"
As were Widnes....they took their punishment...as you might have to.
Quote ="Tricky2309"Quins appear to be stagnating if not going backwards.'"
Yep.......thank god for Uncle rupert and his millions eh.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"
As I type, 1,601 people 'like" it
we have more fans on the Harlequins Facebook page FFS
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Pity they don't all get to the games.
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"Pity they don't all get to the games.'"
Don't bite he fishing.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Really?
...spot on....but we are debt free....'"
And so are Wakey.....
Quote ="gutterfax"... you went bust not long ago..rules is rules.
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What rule? Are you not aware that thanks to Crusaders going bust/the potential image rights outcome the not going into admin clause has been removed?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Really?
why aren't they still at your club then?
spot on....but we are debt free....you went bust not long ago..rules is rules.
are you for real..........
stadiums are key....just coz you lot didn't get your fingers out don't start saying stadiums don't matter...they do.
......I know personally how good your marketing is........but I don't believe that's a criteria.
as I said.......performance is a point for Wakey.
As were Widnes....they took their punishment...as you might have to.
Yep.......thank god for Uncle rupert and his millions eh.
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The next lot of home developed juniors still are, Blaymire, Griffin, George, Murphy, Wildie, Davey, Trout, Annakin, Spiers and with completely new ownership to secure the finances they won't be going anywhere.
Brough, Ellis, Weswood, Snitch, Mason, Griffin, Wood, Pitts, Ferguson, Atkins all players in SL who were developed into SL players at Wakefield.
Haughy, Handforth, King, Applegarth, Bibb, Helm, Spicer.......you know what, too many to mention in the lower divisions!
For the first time in the sports history a club has marketed the game by primetime TV advertising twice in a season and there will be more.
The Community element is well documented as being exemplary.
Sponsorship, Hospitality & Merchandising is at an all time high.
The clubs membership scheme is approaching the 5,000 mark and season tickets have sold well since the uncertainty surrounding the pre season was resolved.
Wakefields crowds are up by an average 670 per game when compared with last years corresponding games, the average attendance being around the 7,000 Mark.
The stadium can be delivered and Savilles have had two meetings and done their investigations to confirm this. Their second meeting was attended by the head of Wakefield Council, the head of Wakefield planning, the Chair of the all party parliamentary group, the MD/owner of the development company who confirmed the FULL funding being in place, the shadow Home Secretary, The shadow Chancellor, a Knight of the Realm and the new owners of Trinity. The timescale of the PI has been confirmed and that allows the developer to give an informed date for construction and delivery of the stadium. It won't be for 2012 but will be mid 2013 all subject to a positive answer from the SoS of course but sources suggest that as the probable outcome.
You can compare Wakefield with Widnes in terms of their Administration and subsequent new ownership but that's where it ends. The main difference between the two is the ten years of building that Wakefield have gone through as a club and despite the failings of the old ownership, they did develop the club well in many areas.
The RFL, SL and Trinity have invested a significant amount of SKY and private money into Wakefield and to abandon that just when the club have turned a big corner and seen light at the end of a long tunnel would be a travesty. Widnes hadn't had that and so the decision to turn them down last time was different to the Wakefield one this time.
The RFL want a strong Wakefield club in SL, I know that blows the Trinity fans conspiracy theories away, but that's the truth from the horses mouth. Wakefield, in a new stadium, with new ownership and the finances to spend the full cap offers the RFL & SL the best possibility of another City club joining the likes of Warrington, Huddersfield & Sts etc.
Alongside Wigan the Wakefield area produces a huge amount of talent and the loss of Wakefield would be damaging to that.
I don't want any club to lose it's franchise and my long held opinion is that no one will be! I fully expect the league to be expanded contrary to the statements made by many. The RFL would not be able to justify the removal of any club if Crusaders remain, I expect the announcement in July to state that no one is being removed and that Halifax or AN OTHER will make it a 16 team competition.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"And so are Wakey.....'"
Yep....but still went bust.
Quote ="Mr Dog"What rule? Are you not aware that thanks to Crusaders going bust/the potential image rights outcome the not going into admin clause has been removed?'"
Yeah....and the RFL will totally ignore the fact that both went to the wall and that wakey have no ground........
...I have said it before, I hope wakey stay and fax come in to make it a 16 team league, but the idiots who point and scream about other clubs failings in the hope it will distract attention from the fiasco that is their own club really don't help wakefields cause.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Yep....but still went bust.
Yeah....and the RFL will totally ignore the fact that both went to the wall [uand that wakey have no ground[/u........
...I have said it before, I hope wakey stay and fax come in to make it a 16 team league, but the idiots who point and scream about other clubs failings in the hope it will distract attention from the fiasco that is their own club really don't help wakefields cause.'"
If you're going fishing put he maggot on the hook the right way up, otherwise you only catch tiddlers and starve.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Yep....but still went bust.
Yeah....and the RFL will totally ignore the fact that both went to the wall and that wakey have no ground........
...I have said it before, I hope wakey stay and fax come in to make it a 16 team league, but the idiots who point and scream about other clubs failings in the hope it will distract attention from the fiasco that is their own club really don't help wakefields cause.'"
Wakefield do have a ground!
They have the option to stay at Belle Vue, in fact there are two legal restrictive covenants that prevent Wakefield from being removed from Belle Vue unless a suitable alternative venue, fit for purpose is available. Those covenants are part of the Deeds and are therefore written into any transaction for the sale of the ground.
If/When Savilles confirm the likelihood of the New stadium being delivered by mid 2013 the RFL will allow Wakefield to continue staging SL games at Belle Vue until The new stadium is ready.
Wakefield & Crusaders have been punished for their Administration, are you suggesting that despite the new owner at Trinity being financially sound the RFL should punish us again?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Seriously, what will you do if you get 1,000,000 "likes" on the facebook page? Print it off and send it to the RFL
As I type, 1,601 people 'like" it
we have more fans on the Harlequins Facebook page FFS
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If the RFL decide to use 'Likes' as some kind of measuring stick, Pippa Middleton's backside will be in next year.
It's a complete waste of time, almost there as a reason to beat the RFL with should Wakefield not be in Super League next year. "We've got 1000 people clicking like and they won't let us in. It's a conspiracy!"
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| Quote ="The Clan"The RFL want a strong Wakefield club in SL, I know that blows the Trinity fans conspiracy theories away, but that's the truth from the horses mouth.'"
Clan, please tell me how you can convince the, I'm sorry to say, idiots who believe otherwise, some who are supposedly smart people! Our board is full of conspiracies and that makes us look a joke as much as Facebook groups and talks of petitions. There are weekly threads on the attendances at Harlequins or Crusaders that make us look so bitter (talkign about counting the crowd on Saturday from the TV pictures), especially when you can't post the reality of the situation without being slagged off.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Clan, please tell me how you can convince the, I'm sorry to say, idiots who believe otherwise, some who are supposedly smart people! Our board is full of conspiracies and that makes us look a joke as much as Facebook groups and talks of petitions. There are weekly threads on the attendances at Harlequins or Crusaders that make us look so bitter (talkign about counting the crowd on Saturday from the TV pictures), especially when you can't post the reality of the situation without being slagged off.'"
The key to my statement is the first few words, a Wakefield club lurching from disaster to crisis was not favoured by the RFL but the change of ownership, the stability of the finances and a demonstrable timeline by ultra credible individuals for the delivery of the new stadium changes everything.
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| Quote ="The Clan"The key to my statement is the first few words, a Wakefield club lurching from disaster to crisis was not favoured by the RFL but the change of ownership, the stability of the finances and a demonstrable timeline by ultra credible individuals for the delivery of the new stadium changes everything.'"
And these 'ultra credible individuals' have a chance to prove they are 'ultra credible' that the change of stadium is going to happen, that the marketing plan is going to work and the club is financially secure through the franchise process. But only they can do this, and whether they do or dont do this is solely down to them and has sod all to do with Crusaders or any other club.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"And these 'ultra credible individuals' have a chance to prove they are 'ultra credible' that the change of stadium is going to happen, that the marketing plan is going to work and the club is financially secure through the franchise process. But only they can do this, and whether they do or dont do this is solely down to them and has sod all to do with Crusaders or any other club.'"
No that's Savilles job!
I never mentioned Crusaders except to say I think they'll remain in SL?
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| Quote ="The Clan"No that's Savilles job!'" It isnt Savilles job to create and evidence Wakefields franchise bid. They give the RFL an opinion on certain aspects of it, but they neither prepare the bid or judge it, so im not sure what you think is Savilles Job
Quote I never mentioned Crusaders except to say I think they'll remain in SL?'" you have spent a whole thread here moaning about them.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It isnt Savilles job to create and evidence Wakefields franchise bid. They give the RFL an opinion on certain aspects of it, but they neither prepare the bid or judge it, so im not sure what you think is Savilles Job
you have spent a whole thread here moaning about them.'"
Delusional!
Bye!
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| An individual such as Andrew Glover has the resources and the business & managerial acumen to deliver the much needed stadium for Wakefield.
He has a (potential) ready made solution with Newmarket, should that get the green light from the PI. However should the PI go against the trust and WT the government office has to suggest a suitable site as part of their refusal for the current site. Should this happen I'm sure Mr Glover could "move the plans" to the suggested site/develop his own plan (which I believe he is already doing as a contingency plan).
If you look at the amount of companies under AG's direction and their individual/combined value a project such as a community stadium may be equal/smaller than some of his large glass production facilities when you consider the value of the machinery to make the facility profitable.
If you have a proven track record of successful business ventures and a good credit rating raising £15M may not be as hard as some (Richard Wright) would have you believe.
Yes Wakefield have been mismanaged for years, who has born the brunt of this? Us the WT fans! Have we ever seriously brought the elite leagues credibility into question? No. Have we ever finished bottom of the pile? No. Granted we've never won any silver wear but we've dam well give SL it's fair share of tooth and nail performances, showing the grit and determination that makes our game great. All we want is 3 more years to carry on this fresh start!
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| Quote ="kiwiballs"They may go to the championship and they may or may not return but they will always be a whole club and not dirty and soiled like Shudderfield, so no matter what they can always be proud.
Sadly you support a hybrid club.'"
I thought hybrids were the future? Toyota seem to be doing well.
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| Quote ="Wadski"I thought hybrids were the future? Toyota seem to be doing well.'"
Nah they keep breaking down and being re-called becuase they are not proper cars, not whole if you like.
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| Quote ="kiwiballs"Nah they keep breaking down and being re-called becuase they are not proper cars, not whole if you like.'"
I like my hybrid club, it's better than your sh*t one.
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| Quote ="kiwiballs"Nah they keep breaking down and being re-called becuase they are not proper cars, not whole if you like.'"
If I remember rightly the Prius recall was to do with the edging of the carmats fraying and wrapping round the brake/accelerator peddles.
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| Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"I like my hybrid club, it's better than your sh*t one.
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| Quote ="Wadski"If I remember rightly the Prius recall was to do with the edging of the carmats fraying and wrapping round the brake/accelerator peddles.'"
Not too sure about the defects, could be two parts into one that caused problems, due to using cheap throw away parts.
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| Quote ="kiwiballs"Not too sure about the defects, could be two parts into one that caused problems, due to using cheap throw away parts.'"
They didn't take two cars and make them into one though. They took an electric motor and a petrol motor and made them work effortlessly together.
It was [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8505402.stmfloormats[/url that caused the mass recall. Something pretty insignificant really.
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| Quote ="Roofs" but according to a Wakey fan's estimate we took upto 2000 there yesterday,'"
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