So players capable of playing in SL , so SL players then , and you pay these SL capable players what , Championship wages ? , also you aquire these players from where exactly ? , SL clubs ? , so SL clubs are going to give you SL capable players for nothing , players they have invested time and money in , Er NO

You havent given a list , that is what I am asking for

They build a team, the same time way every promoted club builds a team, however they have more time to do so, so dont have to rely on so many overseas players like HKA, and they can also take more time to take more risks on more players with the potential to be SL players.

I have no idea why you have no idiotically decided that it is harder to build a side in 2/3 years than it is in a matter of months. It is mental.

you mean other than the the one directly above

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It does , because if they dont get the best they can the coach will get sacked , 3 yesr contract or not

SL players again , but playing for Championship wages , no

That isn't a list of the ' facilities ' you mentioned , not like you to attempt to change the subject because you dont have an answer

The risk is you get relegated , you havent answered a single ' question ' because there isn't an answer , if you put a club in the Championships on SL money to prepare , you stuff up the Championship , if you dont give them the money , they cannot prepare simple as

And the only ' facility ' that will improve a player is ' time ' , time spent training and being trained by top quality coaches , that require full time training , that requires money , lots of it , so the only facility you need is money

HTH

well its nice that you have prejudged somebody else's opinion without asking it rather than just me. But you still havent explained the logic of giving a manager the aim of building players ready for SL with actual results as secondary, and then sacking them for meeting their aim.

no,

it is a list of 'facilities and stuff' which is what you mentioned, and i agreed with, which you have then tried desperately to change to just 'facilities' and then ignored the fact that to do some of the things i have mentioned may need clubs to buy or improve 'facilities' to 'facilitate' these things.

But to save us time in simply mocking your lunacy, what did you think 'facilities and stuff' means, then we can see how you got confused?

Clubs sell themselves as an SL club? they take 2/3 years to sell themselves as an SL club in the 3/4th year? They build in all aspects towards their entrance to SL in the 3/4th year rather than their immediate future in the championships? really?

no it isnt, I have said what i am saying, you can read it above.

Why do you? they dont need to spend all their money on players, and the players they do spend more on would be young players using a couple of years to prepare,

they would then spend the rest on infrastructure which would make no difference to other championship clubs. Getting relegated is a very very unlikely event.

Apparently, you have said before, what i am proposing is exactly what Widnes have done, strangely they have neither being relegate or stuff up the championships.

its a wonder then, that the best league in the world (in all sports including our own) invest millions in multi-million pound training facilities isnt it. If only they employed you instead, maybe we could get you running Man Utd or Brisbane Bronco's maybe one day, if they try really really hard they may get to the level you got Leigh?

Leigh , you mean like the LSV site , the one that the RFL ignored , the one that had W1g4n,Saints and Warrington training at last week along with Premiership side Blackburn Rovers , the one that the Aussie schoolboys did a two match tour of last week

What have Widnes ' done ' exactly , apart from finishing 5th , have they built a new stadium maybe ? , improved their attendances ? , the only thing they have done is to keep their junior development programmes , for which they should be congratulated , if any of these players make the grade in SL will be interesting to see , but odds on they have a 90 % different team in 2012 compared to 2011

That Leigh

the one according to you that must have been a 'massive waste of money'. It seems strange all these clubs with all their money chose to train there, may as well just gone down the park with a ball, thats all the training an RL player needs isnt it?

you mean they relied on youth, gave them an opportunity so they would be better prepared for SL? So that Widnes wouldnt need to rely on overseas players in the same way as Hull KR? but you told me that would mean they would be relegated or 'stuff up the championships'. Now you are saying we should congratulate Widnes for doing what i proposed (to a lesser degree however) and you argued against.

eh? Widnes is Leigh? What are you on about?

Today is getting on for a new low even for you.

Widnes will have a 90 % different team 2011 to 2012 , if they dont they will get absolutley smashed , so any pretence that they have prepared is just that

Yes they have retained a good junior set up , well done

So your problem with using the 2/3 years a club would have in the championships to set up and prepare their academy, maybe give a shot and a bit of experience to some young players and rough diamonds

Along with setting up their infrastructure, spend more time selling sponsorship for SL, more time selling tickets and corporates for SL, bedding in a coaching team and generally preparing would be?????

How would they fund all this whilst in the CC? You really think that SL teams would allow a team not in their league some of their TV money?

i dont think they would have much of a problem helping fun a team which is joining SL. Similarly I expect Sky would see the logic in putting a bit more in for the team coming up.

Ahh ok, seems like you have changed your tune then - as you posted this before?

No he only means the favoured teams, like just one team to get help. Every team playing under different, preferential rules devalues the Championship competition. How would the SL teams react if Quinns and Crusaders were given a higher salary cap and a 10 quota player limit. I think we all know the answer. It would be dependant on the 'incentives' offered for voting those rules in. No incentives and they would be up in arms, well they would be but they would probably be threatened with a reduction in funding if they made public their disquiet. I am sure all SL fans would accept this and say the attendance of 15000 for a SL GF between the two was excellent.

It seems that there is no question that rugby is a credible sport. While it is a rough sport, it does require personal skill and lots of physical energy. I can not imagine why people would say that it is not a credible sport. What do you guys think?

Yes, because they would now be getting something in return.

what a ridiculous argument.

You may also want to check the dispensation already available to Crusaders and look at the reaction.

What would they be getting from it whilst a team is in the CC?

We have to get away from the mentality that TV income, as well as other income is SL club money. It is RFL monwy and they should spend it in the most appropriate ways. Yes majority is paid to show 2 SL games a week but that doesn;t make it club money, imo.

It's called investing. If that team is coming into SL, it makes sense to invest in them to make sure they actually add to it when they do come up. I can see his point.

People are just trying to find fault with anything he says just because of who he is and his opinions on other things, it seems. His opinion there does not contradict the other quote.

What would be the point in SL investing in someone like Dewsbury when they are showing no real signs of ever being in that competition? A successful addition to the SL will bring in more money, so yes SL chairmen will get something back from it.

I dont care who he is and I didnt mention that his quote contradicts the other one, i said he has changed his tune. Which he has. Do you honestly think that any SL chairmen would give up a percentage of their major revenue to help a team that isnt playing in their league yet? In an ideal world i would agree with you - but it will never ever happen.

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Yes, depending on how they go about doing it. It would benefit SL chairmen to have a stronger league. They'd get more money, which they could invest part of in a new team, that could add to the league, that could get them more money, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the near future, or even after the next contract meeting. At the end of the day, we've only just begun licensing. You couldn't invest in the team coming up before as you didn't know who they would be and how long they'd be here.

If a certain amount of the SL money was put aside to assist a new SL club (and also to assist a SL club being relegated), it would improve the quality of the competition in the long run.

So Leigh get the nod in 2015 - SL chairmen would give over part of their major income to help them out til they get into SL?

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Yes, depending on how they go about doing it. It would benefit SL chairmen to have a stronger league. They'd get more money, which they could invest part of in a new team, that could add to the league, that could get them more money, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the near future, or even after the next contract meeting. At the end of the day, we've only just begun licensing. You couldn't invest in the team coming up before as you didn't know who they would be and how long they'd be here.

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Now you are having a laugh

No. To help them prepare for SL.