It's been a big success compared to the first on and off the field. That is plain to see.

They are trying to sell Wrexham FC too. I am not sure what the reason for it is.

Politics.
In an ideal world they'd shift them both, knock the ground down and build flats on it.

Puzzling as Wrexham FC are not doing too bad in the league they are in

We will , when other people stop telling us how ' wonderful ' it has all been , when it plainly hasn't , look further back up the thread for the reason it was brought back up ?

This wouldn't have anything to do with Wrexham Village and all that nice land the Racecourse is sitting on, would it? Seem to remember that a certain individual was trying to move the soccer side out a while back to build on the land but the council refused. No, of course it couldn't.

Just one point from me, both Widnes and Crusaders had a less than satisfactory person at the helm and it's costing them dear (granted we had our issues with a licence as opposed to Widnes where it cost them one)

Hopefully once all the mess is sorted and we come out of Admin we will be starting from a much firmer base than we did last year e.g. crowds up, better team than year 1 and the only way Crusaders players set foot on Widnes ground is for the away fixture!

If someone posted something on 606 stating the moon was made of cheese would everyone get as uptight I wonder?

Yup. I [ihate[/i cheese.

Very likely but it would be on the Sin Bin rather than the VT.

Not when it's designated as a sports area in the Local development plan it couldn't

The away fixture against St. Helens, presumably. Saints to merge with Crusaders and play a few games in Wrexham seems a much more credible rumour than the original post.

Nice to see the Wrexham MP getting involved. Shows how things have moved on when we have Welsh politicians sounding off in the local paper [iin favour[/i of rugby league teams.

i thought they were promoted because of the RFL's expansion plans? You cant have it both ways.

(apparently if they had stayed in NL1 for three years they would have magically got more fans, more visibility and better players than they did when they got the added money, visibility and became more attractive to players when promoted)

Neither makes any sort of sense, why would the RFL delay the franchise decision to keep crusaders in, then merge the crusaders with another club? it would be utterly pointless.

The fact it got the fools chelping was quite funny though

Petty pointscoring, yeah that sounds like you.

for the game in wales, the old maxim does apply, any publicity is good publicity.

Few knew the game still existed, now look at it, its going from strength to strength at amateur level, we have a pro and a semi-pro team and the Welsh national side, with a heavy sprinkling of Welsh born and bread players has just beaten France and will represent the Wales next year in the 4 nations.

are now criticising the whole project even more than us who could see all along it was a shambles

Have you ever been to Wales to watch the Crusaders in either Bridgend or Wrexham ? , or are your opinions based purely on what bull you are fed from the RFL ?

Just responding with the truth , instead of the ' spin '

Because they were promoted using ilegal RL players out of NL2 another member club didn't get the chance for more fans, more visibility and better players than they did

Just in case that's a reference to me, I want to make it clear that I remain completely in favour of a project to establish SL in Wales, through a franchise/licensing operation and so on. What I'm not in favour of, and am very much depressed by, is the unholy mess which has been made of it through the usual RL combination of shady characters and rank incompetence.

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While I disagree with ' franchising ' , what I do want is it to be done properly if that is to be the choice we take , your post on page 7 was close to how I and many others see things , it is interesting to see that it didn't draw the replies that it would have done if I had posted it

thanks for that - I needed a good laugh!

Whilst my own club are about to be seen for their court hearing, saw this of a BBC reporter who is covering the case, 30 seconds is pretty fast!

I saw that. Also noticed this exchange:-

At least that went as smoothly as possible.

So administration as planned.

Can anybody give a warts and all break down of what will now happen? Not what you think will happen but the possibilities of what could happen with all the various outcomes possible.

I was pro the inclusion in 08, and admit it was probably wrong. Would I have made the decision again based on what we thought we knew? yes, probably.
I genuinely believe it's worked out for the best and if Cru can just get past this mess and into 2011 I honestly believe its upwards from here. Wrexham seems a far better operation and I want them to be given one last shot to make it work.

As for Starbugs idea re the expansion, definately, its a great idea and probably why Wrexham has been (relatively) successful and South Wales (initially, lets see how SWS go) wasn't.
Satellite expansion its been proven wont work initially but if we recap and look at the positives in this mess in 5 years we have A pro SL side in Wales, a semi pro side and some great development work going on meaning Wales have qualified for the 4N with a largely WELSH team. Theres been embarassments but there's also some great positives to this mess.

Sheffield Wednesday have been given a 28 day stay of execution, to come up with the cash.