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| Quote ="crucrucrusaders"
I am going to wait for the facts. '"
That's a novel approach - it will never catch on here.
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| We are not in administration. Don't believe a word of it. I hope we can take the sun to court over it.
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| Then you can pay the tax bill, and the outstanding CCJs, and the outstanding pension payments, and John Sharpe.
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| Statement on official site says we're not in administration but it doesn't sound good.
Also somebody has called the club and they have confirmed a lot of the debts are historic debts run up by previous owners.
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| Quote ="crucrucrusaders"Statement on official site says we're not in administration but it doesn't sound good.
Also somebody has called the club and they have confirmed a lot of the debts are historic debts run up by previous owners.'"
Guessing no one decide to do due dilligence before the 'sale' went through then
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| I suspect though that the debts passed to the new owners who agreed to sort them out.
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| Quote ="J20"Guessing no one decide to do due dilligence before the 'sale' went through then
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The due diligence thing applies to the new owners, and if the problems are to do with the old owners then I'm not sure how that would affect anything.
The statement on the website isn't the most confident. Although it states that they were not in administration "last night", it doesn't rule it out for the future, and only says that a statement will be released in the future.
Maybe administration wouldn't be a bad thing, as they could get rid of the Samuels legacy and start afresh, although it would deny them the Super League in 2012.
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| Maybe the administration is what they are working with the RFL for.
To check if administration meant we are denied a place in SL 2012. I would not be happy if we got SL in place of another club if we did enter administration but if they could demonstrate the majority of debt was built up by the previous owners and the new management ran the club well could they possibly get away with going into administration and keep the SL place?
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| Quote ="crucrucrusaders"Maybe the administration is what they are working with the RFL for.
To check if administration meant we are denied a place in SL 2012. I would not be happy if we got SL in place of another club if we did enter administration but if they could demonstrate the majority of debt was built up by the previous owners and the new management ran the club well could they possibly get away with going into administration and keep the SL place?'"
Didn't work for Widnes so I’m not sure if the Crusaders would be able to retain their SL place should they go into administration.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Didn't work for Widnes so I’m not sure if the Crusaders would be able to retain their SL place should they go into administration.'"
No, which is why I think we're trying to stave off administration.
Another thing that has just come to me is using administration as a bargaining tool. A lot of the creditors will slow down their pursuit for payment or renegotiate repayments if they feel they are going to get a fraction of what they are owed or so many pence in the £.
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"I actually want Welsh team(s) in the competition .... But, like London, the RFL have messed up again.
The problem is placing ONE team in a particular area, when actually you should be placing TWO teams in Wales. The most logical conurbations would be Swansea and Cardiff.
Ever wondered why Bradford Vs Leeds or Wigan Vs Saints etc. get the biggest crowds ... That's right, they're local derbies. The sort of game that is talked over at the workplace on the Monday morning, the one where families are divided and where you can have bragging rights over the people around you. How can you have a 'local rival' that is in the case of London over 180 miles away ?
It also just happens that Swansea and Cardiff hate the sight of each other in sporting events too, assuring a good crowd ....'" .......
Your argument is blown straight out of the water by quoting the most crowds are for "derbies such as Brats v Loiners or Saints v Pie eaters-being from towns apart from each other-- I suggest you check the attendances for the best Derby in League .....the HULL derby between the FC and HKR.
No, maybe Crusaders should try playing for a true League appreciation attendance and relocate to one of the Cumbrian clubs -with the dosh the've squandered in the last few years, it's about time Sky stopped trying to 'expand' to r.union heartlands and started to see where their real heartland is.
Widnes fans will see the benefit of having Saints playing in Widnes until their own stadium is ready to occupy and maybe then the RFL will at last give Widnes the Welcome to SL they always deserved.
It's only common sense, but then again,since when have our leaders shown any of that.......grannyfan Cindy
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| Quote ="mrs cindy russell"No, maybe Crusaders should try playing for a true League appreciation attendance and relocate to one of the Cumbrian clubs '"
What makes you think there's an audience for SL in Cumbria any bigger than the one there is in Wrexham?
Workington were an outright failure in the first season in SL, Haven are mired in financial difficulties and Barrow have hardly been setting attendance records despite having one of the best teams outside SL on the field.
None of those clubs are in a position to support a SL franchise of their own, so why relocate one to their area - isn't that exactly what you're arguing against?
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"The due diligence thing applies to the new owners, and if the problems are to do with the old owners then I'm not sure how that would affect anything.
The statement on the website isn't the most confident. Although it states that they were not in administration "last night", it doesn't rule it out for the future, and only says that a statement will be released in the future.
Maybe administration wouldn't be a bad thing, as they could get rid of the Samuels legacy and start afresh, although it would deny them the Super League in 2012.'"
That's what I meant yea, they can't really just say it was all racked up by former owner as legally it's there debt now. If they didn't know it was all there then due diligence was at fault on behalf of new owners etc.
Agreed was hardly a confident 'we are working to solve issues' statement.
It wouldn't be a bad thing but would 99% ensure they drop out of SL in next two years which gives the RFL an issue as they couldn't leave this (if occurs) and either relegate one side or not promote anyone.
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| If CC die then Widnes and Leigh move up
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Are Leigh even in the list of clubs who can apply?
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| Were Wrexham, my little trout
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| Quote ="Alexs Dad"Don't be leaving out the flat earthers now, they'll be most upset otherwise.'"
Damn you beat me to that one
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Are Leigh even in the list of clubs who can apply?'"
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"What makes you think there's an audience for SL in Cumbria any bigger than the one there is in Wrexham?
Barrow have hardly been setting attendance records despite having one of the best teams outside SL on the field.
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Crusaders posted 5 attendances under 3,000 this season including 2 under 1,500. This despite finishing in the playoffs. Their season average is was boosted out of all recognition by the free tickets dished out. This has ultimately been their downfall - not enough income. You also have to remember that had they not fielded 6 illegal immigrants whilst in NL2, they would never have been promoted to NL1 and therefore wouldn't have been eligible to apply for a SL license.
Although Barrow's crowds went down this season (mainly due to inconsistent performances and increased admission prices), the club is run at a profit and there are no freebies to artificially boost attendances (unlike several Champioship clubs). The club is also re-building its' fanbase after 20 years in the doldrums.
The RFL will surely soon see through these false attendance figures, almost free season tickets and non-existant new stadia.
A Cumbrian SL club would compete very well on the field and many people would be surprised at how well supported the team would be.
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Are Leigh even in the list of clubs who can apply?'"
Widnes and Keighley for me.
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| Blackpool? Could be classed as an expansion based on Wrexhams relative location. Oh no, it looks like they have folded
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| Quote ="maurice"If CC die then Widnes and Leigh move up'"
one of these clubs should
N.L 1 Grand final winner's
2009 barrow
2010 halifax
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| Quote ="Lee Tucker FC Fan 2006"one of these clubs should
N.L 1 Grand final winner's
2009 barrow
2010 halifax'"
I see the last three years or so have totally passed you by.
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| BBc Interactive is now reporting club official Ian Roberts as saying that it's 99% certain that there'll be RL at the Racecourse next year. Sound of flatcappers weeping into their flat, warm ale as they kick their whippets
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